Originally Posted by Apoc (Post 347148)

umm.. on top of a pension from a real job, an extra 500$/month is a nice bonus. Its not like volunteers have to be there everyday for 12 hours.

Its over half the payment of a Camaro, and thats a nice retirement gift to yourself. I dont imagine he plans on living on 500/month when he retires.

Originally Posted by Smittie61984 (Post 347181)

Yet you hurl personal insults like a child. I know they say when you teach you learn but I didn't think it was from the kids.

Do you think that other people in other professions don't work hard hours like that? Your average CEO and even doctors would dream of a 60-70 hour work week. How many people do you think come home and just forget their work until they clock in the next day? How many people travel for weeks on end for projects outside of their area. When I moved pool tables one thing I noticed is just about every house had an office. Why have an office if you "just go home" unlike teachers.

Our school systems are failing miserably and America is the laughingstock of the other countries when it comes to education. Oddly enough our colleges are top notch which draws students from around the world. College teachers are not paid much better than public school teachers (and they HAVE to have much greater knowledge than a simple education degree). They still aren't paid as good as some Union monkey at a GM assemly plant but that's another subject.

I'd be more open to teachers getting better pay IF they can turn the education system around. You don't do it by demanding more money, you do it through hard work and working with the people above you for realistic solutoins. After that, then you demand more money and rightfully so.

Originally Posted by CrazyKell (Post 347233)

I'm not claiming other professions don't work hard or only work 40 hours a week so stop putting words in my mouth.

Actually, nevermind. This is not a discussion or debate with you...it's a pissing match where you are so blatantly misled by the actions of a few to determine the hearts of many that it's not worth it.

But like goof said, teachers are paid what the market "bears" so to speak. No one gets into teaching thinking they're going to make it rich.

Oh and call ONE of my degrees a simple degree again and.....goddamnit I almost got caught on that one. I can't win a pissing match with you....you've got the advantage of a hose to aim your fire. :lol

Originally Posted by Smittie61984 (Post 347181)

Yet you hurl personal insults like a child. I know they say when you teach you learn but I didn't think it was from the kids.

Do you think that other people in other professions don't work hard hours like that? Your average CEO and even doctors would dream of a 60-70 hour work week. How many people do you think come home and just forget their work until they clock in the next day? How many people travel for weeks on end for projects outside of their area. When I moved pool tables one thing I noticed is just about every house had an office. Why have an office if you "just go home" unlike teachers.

Our school systems are failing miserably and America is the laughingstock of the other countries when it comes to education. Oddly enough our colleges are top notch which draws students from around the world. College teachers are not paid much better than public school teachers (and they HAVE to have much greater knowledge than a simple education degree). They still aren't paid as good as some Union monkey at a GM assemly plant but that's another subject.

I'd be more open to teachers getting better pay IF they can turn the education system around. You don't do it by demanding more money, you do it through hard work and working with the people above you for realistic solutoins. After that, then you demand more money and rightfully so.

Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 347188)

What does "deserve" have to do with it? Teachers are paid what the market will bear. With pay where it is there are already more teachers than teaching positions. Teachers unions are supposed to be working to increase teachers' pay but appear to be completely incompetent. As long as teachers work for the pay they currently receive that pay isn't going to significantly increase.

Originally Posted by CrazyKell (Post 347233)

I'm not claiming other professions don't work hard or only work 40 hours a week so stop putting words in my mouth.

But like goof said, teachers are paid what the market "bears" so to speak. No one gets into teaching thinking they're going to make it rich.

Oh and call ONE of my degrees a simple degree again and.....goddamnit I almost got caught on that one. I can't win a pissing match with you....you've got the advantage of a hose to aim your fire. :lol

Originally Posted by Smittie61984 (Post 347711)

Words in your mouth? The main argument you made about why teachers need more pay is that they "Work a bagillion hours a week" despite they get paid for 40. Newsflash, so does everyone else who is paid salary.

Teachers remind me of the models you see in exotic destinations bitching about how "hard" it is being a model. The truth is many teahcers have no concept of hard, mainly becuase they've gone to school their entire life and are essentially going back to school for the rest of their life. The fact they they have some responsibility makes them think they have it hard. Also, if it is so fucking hard and the pay sucks so much then why is their an overabundance of teachers? I don't believe there is an overabundance of mechanical engineers and I think they average about 50k (and they have a REAL degree) which is also close to a teacher's average pay.

You do have an education degree don't you? No suprise.