Why ? :rofl:

I'd love to have a T595 or 955 as a street bike.

It's too bad Triumph doesn't bring it back with the 1050 motor.

IIRC that's what's in the Speed Triple.

Yep.

It's also in the Sprint and the Tiger too.

Okay, the Japs have gone a long way "recently" to distinguish the different displacement bikes BUT it's wasn't that long ago when you could literally take body parts off a GSXR 600 and put them on either a 750 or a 1000. For those who claim :lol: Yamaha is somehow "better" at this I give you the Thundercat and the Thunderace.... Oh and the CBR1000 and the new CBR600 are quite similar...:wink:

Welcome to the thread, Tigger.

Compelling argument.

You're about 3 pages late.

Not just bodywork Tigger, engine covers, wheels, brake parts, radiators, lots more...

Oh I know, I just stopped there... I owned a '97 YZF1000R and I've owned a '01, '03, '06 GSXR1000. Personally, I've always felt that this is genius on the manufacturer's part and something that some American automakers should emulate.

If I was about to get one and had those two side by side on the showroom floor I'd probably shoot myself because either way I couldn't live with my decision.

The Kawi 6RR was never known for low-end (I used to have an 03). But not all 600's are the same. If you had rode my 05 R6, I bet you never would had a problem with its sub-9K performance, unless you weigh 200+ of course.

People who say that you really have to rev out a 600 to get anywhere are just being stupid, unless they are talking about track riding.

no, were not being stupid. You have to rev the shit out of them to make any power... Its that simple.

Sure, if you mean keeping up with other bikes......or riding on the track........But you don't need to go past 9K to get ahead of traffic, unless you are street-racing against a pretty decent car.

True, I guess i've gotta realize that you live where there is a lot of traffic. Here, on the highway, I might pass a car every mile or so, less on back roads, so you can keep rpm's up pretty high all the time.

Right. Look at the dyno graph from any middleweight 600. The peak power and torque are way up high in the rev range. This is not an issue for debate, this is fact.

Peak HP and peak torque on the Buell XB12R is at 6750 RPM.

That's at the very TOP of the rev range.

Fact.

Explain to me how a Buell XB12R has anything to do with an inline 4 middleweight.

We realize this. But in day to day riding, is it necessary to rev it to that range just in order to get in front of traffic? Not in my experience.

Explain to me how an inline 4 middleweight has anything to do with the bike posted.

:lol:

Explain to me why you are such a shithead?

I'm talking about regular riding around here. I don't daily commute on my bikes. If I take them out for a ride usually it is a "spirited" run and I don't mean racing but I don't mean stop and go traffic either. After getting off of my R1...the R6 is flat below 8k period and I don't really like it...that's why it's now my wife's bike. :idk:

Don't get me wrong...it's a great bike but mainly for the track so you can rev the $hit out of it. If you ride in this area and plan to pass a car on a two lane...you better rev the R6 up but on my R1 it take a LOT less effort.

It's not being stupid...it's being factual.

First, there is a big difference between an 06-07 R6 and a 03-05. 06-07 were the worst years in terms of low-end power. For 08 Yamaha made some changes.

Also, some of you guys weigh 100 lbs more than me :lol:

I'm not disagreeing with this at all.

I've owned a few "middleweights" BUT admittedly haven't owned one in a long time until I picked up the 07 R6.

I remember how my 600's felt from the early to mid 90's and knew how much these bikes have been improved and when I hopped on the R6 after buying it I thought...geez...is there something wrong with this bike ? :lol:

After break in when I was able to run it up through the rev range I realized even more how much this bike was geared for the track.

Yes weight makes a big difference too. :cheers: That's why the wife and I can't have the same HP/TQ and bike weight...I don't want her faster than me. :lol

:lol: You guys are killing me!!!

I think it has a lot to do with where you are coming from. When I traded in my V-Max for my FZR1000, it took me forever to get used to how "high" I had to rev the bike to get a decent launch. I actually stalled the damn thing quite frequently until I got used to it!:lol: I doubt that you can find an "expert" that won't tell you that a 1000 is a far better bike for city riding than a 600 simply because of the amount of torque and the way it is delivered.:idk: IMHO for city riding or freeway commuting a liter bike is better hands down.

I can comment here. I have owned 5 in line 4 600s and an SV 650. All of my 600s made power up top but only the YZF600R, not the R6 now called R6S, and ZX6R had any push in the midrange. All were good up to a point but the race reps needed to rely on hi rpm HP to get any real thrust. The SV did not have the Hi rpm to rely on but used the mid range torque to good effect. I did not know anything about mid range tho until my Buell! Bottom line the 675 is not a liter bike and dont have the big torque numbers. It does seem to compete well with most of its competition in the middleweight class...

QFT! Although, if I were in this market, I'd have to go with the 750... costs about the same to buy and has WAY better numbers.

Yep some people buy the R6S over the R6 due to this...more mid range...so better day to day city riding.

Buell XB12 makes 60 lbs/ft of torque at 2000rpm(75lbs/ft at 6000rpm)
Triumph 675 makes 35lbs/ft of troque at 3000rpm(47.0lbs/ft at 10400rpm)

Fact.

I'm glad someone caught that. :lol:

It is a bigger motor with HUGE pistons compared the the 675, of course it has more torque.

The torque curve of the 675 is very linear and builds steadily like most inlines.

The Buell curve is funny. It is close to peak at around 2700, then falls on it's face and doesn't get back into the 70's until around 5500.

FACT.

With the Buell, you're best served to keep it between 2000-2700 or between 5500-6750. Either way it is a narrow window.

OPINION.

There are NO flat spots when you're riding it, and it pulls hard from 2500-7100 in every gear.

FACT

The window is far from narrow, as the bike revs slower than a short stroke 4. The only problem I have with the power band is that it doesn't drop anywhere, so I find myself hitting the limiter from time to time, since it just pulls hard all the way to it..

FACT

Burger King shits all over Micky D's

FACT







ok maybe opinion :lol:

It is not a flat spot, it's a trench. I could easily feel it before a pipe and remap.

I agree that it doesn't taper off at the end. Very easy to hit the limiter if you aren't paying attention.

That's true of any low reving V-Twin when you are used to power band characteristics of a I-4. I rode a Super Duke and it hit red line in a blink of an eye. I was consistently hitting the rev limiter in every gear.

What I find odd is that you're describing the flat spot basically right where the exhaust valve shifts positions. I could definitely feel the flow path change over, but would never have called it a flat spot.

Now that I have the way too loud pipe on it, no more "stutter" when the valve shifts.

Depending on the bike, the cable could have been loose for the valve, or the muffler could have been dented in a spot that would have compromised the smoothness of the valve movement.

I'm talking about the torque curve of the XB motor.

Here is Sportrider's dyno of the '04 XB12R.

Unless their bike's exhaust was dented in the same place as the Buell I had, I'll assume it was across all the motors of that year. There is a noticeable lull.

Maybe it's been corrected on the newer models, it pretty much went away with the new exhaust. :idk:

http://image.sportrider.com/f/883154...bolt_dyno+.gif

Neither Ronald McDonald nor the Burger King are fit to lick Checkers BALL SACK!!! For drive thru type food, Checkers is the bomb!!! I had their Baconzilla burger the other day and almost nutted it was so good! Don't get me started on their wings and french fries...:drool: Oh and their shakes... ohhhhhhh... see ya!

Not that it matters in the discussion but my Buell is an 1125R, Lil more torque than the Thunderstorm engine makes in the Xb line...

Those torque numbers for the 675 seem VERY low. I have seen them dyno at or above most 600s at 58 ft lbs...

Not that I have any hard numbers, but you're almost right.

The thunderstorm makes 84ft/lb to the 82 or so of the 1125. Both being crank numbers.

The difference being, the xb makes it at 6000. The 1125 at 9000.

Man that was good! A short ride and some Checkers food!:rockwoot:

fuck now i want a whopper

Dude go to Checkers in stead! You won't regret it!

Checkers? :scratch: Never heard of that ish. You know it's all about the Fatburger, bitch.

Do you guys have Rally's?

They were the same as Checkers under a different name.

I was over my 675 lust until i happened upon this...

I just did things, terrible things, to my keyboard.

Hey sexy, where have you been?:lol:

Hey I wasn't the one bringing up McD and BK like they sold food, punk! Besides, Fatburger went all down hill and shit after Kenan and Kel quit!!!




Oh wait that's "GOODBURGER"!!! nevermind.....:lol:

If you're going to spend over $10 for a burger, you may as well get your ass to Fudruckers motherfucker!!!

Dont you mean Rally's???? haha! I got down to Florida a couple months back and was like.... what the fuck is "Checkers" doing on the Rally's sign??? :lol:

Same goes for White Castle... isnt there basically a knock-off in the south called Krystals???

Yes and i don't enjoy either! I would probably buy those mini sirloin burgers fron Jack in the box just because the commercial is so damn funny!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0WDb-xzks

Ha, I just saw that commercial a couple minutes ago while watching the taped GP race......

What really sounds good right now is an Arby's bacon and chedder, with curly fries.... man I'm a fattie!

Midgets herding midget cattle :lol: That is the funniest thing ive seen all day.

that ad just keeps getting better everytime i see it. too bad the nearest jack is in tigger's territory. its serious bullshit that they tempt me so with the constant tv ads

man i had the best plan ever, BK is just down the street from castle greyskull and i figured i could convince TL to take the 450 and id ride the 954 over for a bacon double. unfortunately she wasnt feeling comfortable enough just yet so i went whopperless :(

I would have went girlfriendless...:lol:

then id be going sexless :lmao:

man can go a day without sex but without food?

i still got food, we just moved the whopper date to thursday. good for everyone

You should hear the commercial in Spanish....it's friggin hilarious.. I don't think the humor translates quite right. :lol:

I'm not complaining necessarily about my bike being low on power sub-9K. I am just agreeing that it is.

Yes! If I want to keep up with my hubby on his 1000, then I keep mine revved up or he completely loses me.

It is nice turning inside on o those 1000s and just slapping the throttle open, while they modulate the wrist to get, or try to get, the rear not to spin up...And watching them cry a each stop about buying a tire every thou to 2 thou miles...

Speaking of...how's the tire on that 1125 looking?

Scrubbed to the edges with slight wear on the 3/4 shoulder from minor slipping. Just pulling at the edge of the tread grooves. I love torque!!!

Whats the mileage right now?

9 something. I did the break in maintenance at the dealer at 640ish, went back for the brake line recall, and did another quick loop of the local canyon for about 180 so tween 900 and athou.