In terms of literbikes on the street NOTHING is more powerful or torquier than the zx10. I understand all the reviews say the best bikes are the gsxr1k and the cbr1k but the down low torque that the zx10 makes is pretty much insane compared to the other three. Im talking in terms of street performance here for an average person. Not a pro racer on the track.

Now I"m seeing what an engineer has told me before. kawi is dead last in quality. side by side with my 1978 Honda my 86 ninja is just terribly engineered and the product is shit compared to the Honda's design.

simply put, kawi sucks quality wise, Honda and Yammi are the top 2 jap brands in this respect IMO.
Kawi just lacks a lot of good design ideas. while Honda and yamaha were using rigid perimiter frames, kawi was still using a very shitty double cradle box steel frame that flexes like a limp dick, or in the earlier ZX600's from the 80's what amounts to a cruiser frame pretty much.
sorry but any brand where frames breaking with no previous abuse or crash damage just puts the gsxr into the piece of shit level for me.

If my only experience with Kawi were the 900r\1000\1100's I'd have a few choice words.

Had my only experience with Honda been 80's and early 90's bikes I curse them as electrically fucktarded.






However ZX-9 going from the porker in the 90's to late Zx-9r are, from what I know solid bikes that will rack up the miles. I thought 636 was supposed to be well designed as well.

very true, but when I look at the casting quality of the kawi, and my old hurricane even, the hurricane had SO many freakin nice traits that kawi never could have hoped to have even.

What does it matter?

It is rare that anyone keeps a sportbike for more than 2-3 years anyways.

I've known a couple people that thought the hurricane was the best bike ever made...........

i really miss mine. woulda been awesome with a 180 out back and modern forks/shock

The hurricane was a VERY fine example of Honda engineering. I think the 600F was an awesome bike. the F2 to me was the best CBR evar.

It matters in terms of overall satisfaction. I had a zx6r and an R6 from the same time frame (03-04), and the R6 was just leaps and bounds ahead in terms of fit and finish and lack of engine vibration.

No I don't think they are.