r!der is right, just cause your tire is fully worn doesn't mean you are at full lean. Take my av or some of the other guys av's that aren't of rossi or some other pro racer. With that lean angle, it will wear the tire completely with no chickenstrip, but I still have plenty left to go before my tire losses traction. No chicken strips, doesn't mean you are using the tire to the very edge of it's limit.

Fair enough. But you have to agree, the furthur you are leaned over, the less traction you have avaliable. Even if you are wearing down chicken strips, you still have less traction in the case of an emergency. Use alittle more body position for the corner and save alittle more avaliable traction in case it's necessary.

So Trip, in your AV, do you have both cheeks off the seat or just one.. I cant tell.

just one, I not nearly being a monkey as I should be when I hang off the bike. I really need to work on body position.

Im not even close to dragging a knee yet, I fell like I have a mile to go and I hang off (1 cheek) and I have no chicken strips on the back and the fronts are only 1/4 inch. :idk: It's certainly track time so I can get my body position right.

Back tire strip is easy, try to get the front off! HAHA

Knee down doesnt mean you have great body position and it could be other factors why you cant get it down too. I am long and lanky enough to get my kneedown on stock rear sets like its nothing, crazy easy. With vortex rearsets, I have them as high as they go and it make it hard for me to jam my knee out there and get it down easy. I have to lean it over a lot further now to get my knee down. Upper body postion I think is the hardest thing to learn. I can get my lower off, but my upper just doesnt want to get there.

Yeah front chicken strips you really got to crank it over. The profile on the powers is easy enough to get it for me, the corsa IIIs are a lot tougher because there profile is a lot steeper.

hmm i don't really agree here.. i think you have more traction at full lean but i need someone much smarter than me to confirm.. the contact patch straight up and down is less i believe.. but straight up and down you are more stable due to gravity not trying to pull you down.. the only way to adjust is lean more or get it upright and use brake..

I never stated that I wouldnt respect you if you had a flat spot, I said I would respect a rider less that ONLY used the middle of his tire, aka straightliner.

There are varying degrees, dont get your panties in a wad.

If you have a flat spot in your tire, that is only in the MIDDLE, with very lil or no wear on the sides, this indicates you do not use your tire at all, might as well have a car tire on that thing. We call those in these parts, straightliners, as they go in one straight shot either east or west, never challenging the roads that are off the main coast road, many of these are the riders often referred to as posers also...the "i can beat you in a race, as long as we go in a straight line" (i have heard this btw) type riders. Their style of riding, as I already stated in my previous, causes a HUGE flat spot in the middle and pretty much no where else. It requires no effort to go in a straight line and thus doesnt earn the level of respect from me that someone who uses their tires. They are welcome to learn another style and in the event they stay open to that and want to learn, they have the opportunity to earn my respect. Unfortunately, many of these are more interested in how good they look with their "crew" on their way to Hooters...

A rider that utilises his tire does so on a daily commute as well as more aggressive riding. You can look at my regular street tires also and see that I have no chicken strips or very lil and I have all of 4 turns on my commute, but I love to play and actually lean while turning, versus sitting upright for a turn. You cant tell me that you have no wear on the sides of your tire from taking turns on your way to work. I can look at your tires and see that you know what you are doing and respect that...

Let me clarify that the point of this thread was really targeted towards people who CARE about strips and try to use them as a gauge for their/other's ability/progress or lack thereof.

People who know anything or have any skill know that there are tons of factors at play.

That all being said, I'm glad this sparked some good old-fashioned motorcycle technique conversation, which was my intention.
Kyle knows that's not what I meant, he was just being a douche.
I totally agree with your first sentence.

However, I'm with r!der, and disagree with the second part. When the chicken strip is just gone, you are just getting the contact patch to the side of the tire. You don't need that entire patch to maintain traction... you need MUCH less... you can go a lot further than that point.

I do understand what you meant though, regarding less available traction and less room to account for road issues.
His point was that the lack of chicken strips does not correlate to using your every bit of available traction, that's all.
You're right. And your TD shots looked good and faster than me, so you must be getting something right :lol:
Ok now I feel like we have a broken record. But yeah, that's it.
I had them gone on the front tire on my OEMs... I don't expect that to occur on the corsa IIIs... we'll see.
The rear contact patch when straight up and down depends on what you are doing. Under hard braking it's small or maybe even non-existent. When you're accelerating the rear squats and you get a big old patch.

That patch under accel is about the same size of the one you get when leaned over... the difference is that you are turning and the centripetal forces of cornering are perpendicular to gravity as well as your accel forces (for a flat turn at least). So you are relying entirely on friction in two dimensions to keep you on the bike instead of just one..