I actually don't feed the glop so I'd be the wrong person to ask on that one...
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I think Vator was the big glopper. But I thought a few others did as well.
Kaneman, what else other than meat do you feed your hounds? |
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Rice... right. That's a good cheap idea.
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The glop they're making is probably the healthiest way too go to be honest. I think I'm going to try what Vator did on down the line here and see what happens.
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I'm going to check out a butcher nearby this week... can I get your guys' recipes without sifting through 30 pages of posts? |
Sorry I was absent- was at VIR wasting gas and rubber.
My wife just corrected my post. 2 OZ of Glop, 2 OZ of organs, and 4 OZ of meat per meal X 2. Thanks for correcting me OSP. |
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1 Egg - broken but shell and all into bowl 2 Chicken livers 1 Banana 2 large spoonfuls plain yogurt 1 spoonful peanut butter 1 tsp butter Dinner: 1 Chicken thigh We have played with her diet - up and down. She used to get less breakfast and more chicken for "dinner." But, watching her weight and activity level - this right now is suiting her best. She is a 65lb Black Lab. She turned 14 in May. The main trick for this diet is to know your pet. Pay attention to your pet and watch their gain/loss of weight. Knowing their activity level and personality is key as well. What I LOVE about Sadie now is how close we are. She now doesn't behave like a typical pet - she is another child of mine. |
We've had a ruff go here this week. Last weekend he got the last rawhide bone we had on hand. He tore it up faster than we've ever seen him. He was lovin it.
But now this week he's less "into" the chicken. Further, his poop, suffered from that rawhide. So he may not get any more of those. I got him to eat some more. He hasn't eaten for nuttin all week. I had some left over bbq'ed chicken (3 qrts) that I shredded the meat off and fed to him with one raw. He ate that along with a scoop or two of glop. Told the wife, not to pull anymore glop from the freezer till he eats his normal amount of chicken. |
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Contrary to the unfortunately very popular belief, those yummy little rawhide bone treats we give our dogs to provide distraction for our pets are actually quite bad for them.Pick up a rawhide treat now-they come in all shapes and sizes. Some come in the rectangular flat disks, while others are cleverly twisted into replicas of real bones. They all have one thing in common though-the ability to make a dog very, very ill. Dogs eat the way fish do-until all the food is gone. Their instincts tell them that when the food is there it must be gorged upon as they never know when their next meal will be. Also, in the wild, dogs come in packs. First come, first serve, so stuff yourself and you will survive. While this is not the case for most domesticated dogs, the instinct to eat everything super-fast is still there. Which is exactly why those rawhide treats are so dangerous. Think about it-those treats are designed to be gnawed upon for at least an hour's time, leaving a mutt gaily chewing on his little rawhide delicacy until he bores of it and wanders away. The reality is most dogs will have those little bones half-consumed within just a few minutes, with the entirety gone in less than half an hour. While that may sound like a simple piggish act on your dog's part, a serious complication may be in the making. Those pieces of rawhide, when swallowed in massive sizes, as they most often are, do not digest in the dog's body. This means the dog has to either pass a very large blockage or retain a very large blockage, both of which are extremely painful for the poor creature, with the latter being potentially fatal. The best treat you can give your dog is your attention, time, and activity. If you MUST give your dog something to chew on, stick with real bones, such as raw knuckle bones, or pig and beef feet. As these are naturally hard and cannot be easily swallowed, provided the actual bone is larger than your dog's mouth, the fear of ingestion is less of a worry. |
Yeah I know. Usually he takes his time and chews on a large one for weeks. Like you said, till he bores. This last one he went at a bit different than normal. But we'll see. He's starting to eat more again. And I must remember that he has always bored fast of the "same food". We noticed before but now it's more noticeable because of the feeding time vs a bowl of kibble just sitting thr.
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Gloppers... do you make one kind of glop or two? Seemed like GM was talking about making two different ones... a veggie and a fruit. If so, do you altnernate? I think maybe making two, both combos of veggies and fruit, would be the way to go... keep the dogs interested... though I only change kibble flavors about every 2-3 weeks (same kind, just differnet flavor)... I'm figuring for Taco @ around 95lbs, he should get about 2.5lbs of meat per day... using 2-3% as the baseline... For Belle @ around 30lbs, she should get 1lb of meat per day... using a bit over 3% as the baseline (figuring she's a growing puppy)... gonna try it with the cats too, fuck it. Correct me if I'm wrong... Here's my plan... Gonna buy a freezer and a food processor... freezer first, processor not so urgent... Look for deals at the grocery store, but will also check out the butcher down the road (you walk in and say you want 'that' chicken and they slaughter it on the spot... AND it's less than 3 miles from the house!). When the last of their kibble is gone (est another 1.5 weeks)... I will present them with a whole chicken... well, ~2/3 for Taco and the other ~1/4 for Belle... and the other ~1/4 split between the cats. I think I'll just put it in their dishes, chopped up so they don't pull the whole damn thing out and eat it off the floor. We'll do that twice a day for a couple of weeks, then start glopping. We'll mix up some veggie/fruit glop at that point and add it to the mix... maybe 1/4 cup for Taco, 2 tablespoons for Belle, and a tablespoon for each cat along with the meat... Not sure on the portion sizes there... Obviously their weight at that point will make the difference... if I see ribs/getting fatty/etc... but I guess what I'm asking is what's the right glop to meat ratio? Is that in addition to the weight of the meat or is that a combined weight (the 2-3%)? Probably will buy a grinder down the road and make some prepackaged meals for dog sitters, boarding, etc. I figure that would make it much easier... just buy a bunch of zip loc containers and freeze them... whoever watches them just busts out a couple a day and forget about it. |
I don't have a specific fruit/veggie mix, but...
Since we also have an iguana, I have started sneaking some of his leafy greens/veggies/fruits in the dog's mix. I just toss everything that isn't meat in the processor for a few seconds. |
I'm thinking of patenting the word "Glop." Everyone owes me $1 for every use per post.
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More reading this afternoon...
Found this: http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html It says the veggie portion is completely unnecessary... thoughts? |
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Well, my dog's diet was championed by a California hippy. That diet seems to mimic a wolfs typical diet. I guess it's all in what you want to feed your animals. I would guess since we (humans) get nourishment from veggies, so would my dogs. Plus they like it and it stretches our food $$.
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Well, my dog's diet was championed by a California hippy. That diet seems to mimic a wolfs typical diet. I guess it's all in what you want to feed your animals. I would guess since we (humans) get nourishment from veggies, so would my dogs. Plus they like it and it stretches our food $$.
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The absolute main reason that I feed raw meat is because I learned that they just don't use very much meat in dog food....and dogs fucking love meat. :lol: |
Cool beans... makes sense... I think we're just going to go 100% meat. Fuck it.
Great video I found btw... the comment in the first minute or so is priceless... "when the dogs eat baby bunnies like little Tootsie Rolls..." :slol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLT...eature=related |
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OSP, give us updates with your cats too. I am thinking about trying it again with mine. It was a friggin nightmare the last time we tried. Should be fun. :lol:
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Bought a stand up freezer last night... $30... looks great, we'll see how long it works... Gonna drop by the butcher tonight after work... been meaning to for a while now, but the dogs have about 1 or 2 more meals of dog food left, so I gotta move quickly. |
I want to get my stray kitty off kibbles too or at least incorporate some fresh stuff into her diet so I would be interested in cat updates as well. I know nothing about cats.
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Mr. Bear will undoubtedly be down with raw... he's been caught licking thawing chicken on a number of occassions... and he's stolen raw'ish food from the stove. Piper on the other hand... it could go either way. |
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Last night after work, I went on the hunt for cheap chickens... The butcher down the road closes before I get off work and the dogs were pretty much out of food so I hit the supermarkets... Publix ended up being the cheapest... picked up 8 chickens @ $1.19/lb and two packages of chicken hearts @ $1.39/lb...
Went home, cut a chicken into 1/4, split it and the organs inside by hand into each one of the dog's dishes... Belle went to town immediately... licking licking licking... then finally grabbed a wing and started chowing down. She got it and was HOOKED within 30 seconds to a minute. Taco on the other hand wasn't so sure... he licked and when I fed him a heart, he was all about it, but the meat on the bone... not so much. He'd lick, watch Belle, look at us, lick, repeat. We started pulling some of the meat off the bone and feeding it to him by hand. He would eat small chunks, but anyting that required a lot of chewing, he wasn't into. By the end of it he was chomping down bones and all, but still in small peices. About a half hour later Taco walked up to ONSSP salivating like a motherfucker... no drool, just pretty much water. We figured he was about to vomit, but he didn't. Another half hour or so later, he "exorcist vomitted" on the floor... I was droppin a hog so I didn't see it, but that's how ONSSP described it... All it was was water and a big chunk of chicken skin. Both dogs wanted to eat it immediately and aside from a bit more salivating later, he was fine. This morning I took another 1/4 of the chicken out of the fridge and they were all about it again. Belle had no issues again, went right at it... Taco required more feeding by hand, but would eat considerably larger pieces... Both had no issues with the bones and again, were ALL ABOUT the hearts. When I took the dogs for a walk, Belle pooped about 1/4 the normal size and Taco shot straight liquid. His has been soft lately anyway, so I'm guessing he's working through something and the meat probably didn't help. We'll be keeping a close eye on that one. All in all, it's been damn easy... not as easy as kibble... hacking chickens, cleaning the floor/bowls after each meal, etc... but no issues with them taking to it. As for the cats... After feeding the dogs I had a bunch of chicken slime on my hands including very small bits of meat... I put my hand in their faces and both licked and ate some of the little pieces. We still have a bunch of cat food left so we aren't going to make the switch just yet, but I predict a pretty easy transition for them as well. |
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Hey everyone. Haven't been on here in months. Came back on last night and got sucked into this thread. I adopted a Boston Terrier named Mack a few months ago and he is awesome. He has a TERRIBLE digestive tract though and often as diarrehea and horrible gas. He also has skin allergies/dry skin the dont seem to bother him much but I think they look really bad. I have him on a "premium" kibble atm (Nature's Balance Duck/Potato) but would like to try him on the raw diet starting next week.
Here is the guidelines I plan to follow. I won't be doing pork as suggested http://www.rawmeatybones.com/diet/exp-diet-guide.pdf Few questions: I have seen 2 ways of thinking on this, BARF which has some grains, veggies, egg etc and RMB diet which is all meat. I think I want to provide him some veggies and may try the "glop". Why do you put vinigar and mollassess in? I am also seeing that you should fast your dog for a day before starting and also fast your dog once a week as they are not regular eaters in the wild. Does anyone else do this? I think i will see a MAJOR cost savings over the food I am buying ($31/17lb) and hope he will really start to look and feel better. I have a spare freezer so that shouldnt be an issue either. I just hope I can find a local butcher. Thanks for all the advice. I can't wait to get him started. |
Vinegar because, well vinegar is good for you. Molasses for taste. We accidentally forgot molasses in one session and the dogs gave us a *sniff,sniff* WTF is this ? look. :lol
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Ok, so it's been a few days now... what an experience so far...
Both are eating like champions now... no more hand feeding, they just go at it. Belle has been pooping 1 time per day, about half the size of her normal poop, slimy, but solid... Taco on the other hand... Saturday Taco continued to shit liquid... Then later on in the day, there was a little blood... about a half hour later, he shit straight blood. I had been reading and the big thing was if the blood was red (it was) - could be irritation (dog IBS), a bone fragment, or allergy. Not something to be immediately freaked out about. Given the amount of blood, I figured bone fragment... so I investigated and found a sharp little bone up in him... He still doesn't look at me the same, but the next poop was pretty much blood free and every one since has been without blood. Sunday I got pretty excited because, while still shooting some liquid, Taco had a good amount of solid poo as well... I figured he's adjusting and it's getting better. Then ONSSP took him out yesterday morning and he shot straight liquid again... same thing for me last night. I am REALLY hoping it's not an allergy thing... I cut out organ meat to see and am going to up the bone content a bit to see if I can balance it out. We'll give him a few more days and hopefully this shit will solidify. Otherwise, both dogs are very happy and totally normal. Can't tell yet about weight loss/gain or anything, so I'm sticking with the portion sizes as-is for now. ...... Hokie - I don't plan on doing the glop thing... don't see it as necessary... I doubt that if all the humans died tomorrow our dogs would be eating from the garden and shit... pretty sure they'd be killing buffalos and cool shit like that. Also, as far as fasting is concerned... not gonna happen with my dogs. Taco must eat twice a day at relatively consistent intervals or else he has a tendency to vomit. Probably has something to do with him tearing up his ropes and those strings upsetting his stomach... Don't worry too much about finding a butcher... you'll get serious cost savings anyway... I bought chickens for $1.19/lb and Publix... Found them for $0.99/lb at Walmart and found them for $0.89/lb at BJ's. You can also find chicken scraps for cheaper than that... I think I saw necks and backs for $0.69/lb at Publix. |
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I don't think the dogs are getting enough bone... gonna cut some of the meat out and add more bone... We'll see if that stiffens up Taco's hershey squirts.
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I'm tellin ya OSP... you can get leg quarters for cheaper and I'm sure it's easier.
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Last night I hacked a new chicken... Cut the breast meat out, the leg quarters and wings off, then fed the remaining carcass to Taco. Belle got a couple wings and some random trimmings. We ate the breasts for dinner and the leg quarters made up their meal this morning. Worked out pretty well. |
We mixed in a little bit of raw Tilapia with our cat's wet food tonight. Even the picky cat ate the fish out and left the cat food. Gonna try to slowly work them toward eating more raw and cheaper raw stuff. :lol: Figured we'd start with a sure bet. The fish was on sale, so it was worth a shot.
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Vet report: Took Soffi and Fergi to the vet. As usual, they recommended teeth cleaning. Almost all of the plaque and etc..was left from the kibble. We are probably going to have it done as it is noticeable.
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Find a dog we like, I go rollerblading with him to check him out a bit, everything looks really good so we start filling out paperwork.. One of the staff comments on how healthy our dogs looks (we brought them to check compatibility) and I tell them how we feed raw meat. Well they FREAKED OUT. "DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO KILL YOUR DOGS???" They actually went back and had a meeting amongst themselves to discuss it. In the end we walked away before they could decide, told them we didn't want the dog to associate us with negative energy. Anyway, I just dug up an old email between me and that agency....I just replied (2 years later) to let them know none of my dogs have ever been sick. |
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Update time... Taco is pooping normal now... both may actually be pooping a little dry so I think they are getting a bit too much bone... Still working on the balance. As it goes now, I'm hacking a whole chicken every day... I cut off the breast meat and we eat that... Taco and Belle each get a leg in the morning and Taco gets an additional wing. Belle gets a wing and the neck at night, Taco gets the remainder of the carcass... both split the organs. Probably giving them a bit too much, but both were big eaters before the switch and I have consistently felt as if they weren't getting enough to eat... Taco was on 6 cups of food/day, Belle on 4... both always had just the right amount of rib showing. I'll probably start adding some of the breast meat to the mix in a few days now that everything has become more solid upon exit... |
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Our cats are actually moving along famously with fish and some chicken livers. Next step is to give them bigger pieces so they start learning to gnaw. After that....bones. Not looking forward to that. That's going to be a long stage.
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Still going strong over here... Poops have been consistent...
Pretty amazed so far... Dogs barely poop and hardly drink any water... It's really crazy just how good you can tell this is for them. Can't wait to get the cats on it... no more stinky litterboxes... |
People think I'm crazy when I tell them how awesome it is. So much so, that I don't tell them anymore. It's like they think I'm making it all up just to get them to switch over.
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Yep, we left our roommate for three days over the weekend with separate ziploc bags including sharpie instructions on each bag... Werked out great.
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So now for two days in a row, fed Taco a whole chicken back and several hours later he vomits. I think it's too much bone at one time.
All in all, it's going well. Cats ran out of food last night and are now on it... Split a chicken wing between the two of them. Both were tenative - had to hand feed them small chunks. Both seemed to think it was too good to be true... like, 'will I get in trouble if I eat this?' Finally they both went at it pretty good... Mr Bear was crunching bones, but Piper was eating around them. We locked them in our bathroom for several hours - tile floors just in case they puked... no puke, all is well. This morning I tried to split a chicken neck between the two... they weren't that into it... I think it was too boney. They ate a little and stopped. I went back to another chicken wing and ripped it up for them. Same as last night... Piper did eat a bit of bone this morning and Mr Bear was all over it again. The only thing that sucks is that it's hard to separate the dogs from the cats. I used to feed the dogs outside while the cats were eating inside. The cats eat super slow now, so the dogs are outside barking at joggers and shit while I'm inside trying to feed the cats. Annoying, but we'll figure it out. |
My cats eat super slow too. I actually switched to feeding them twice a day. They weren't finishing their food at night but they were both gettting way too skinny. So to save us from wasting food and them not getting enough, I am giving them 60% at night and 40% in the morning. It seemed to work great, but I will see tonight when I get home how much they eat of their dinner. Hopefully they finish it off.
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Just a note-Lost my oldest Schnauzer Saturday. She had a Grand Mal Seizure.
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We are still having a ruff go with this. Brinks has always been a picky eater. He never seems to like the same diet for much longer than a few months.
We are at that point with this I believe. The only difference with kibble is that you can just leave it out. The chicken, now is a different story. We have continued to seer it in a pan. About a month ago he quit liking garlic. salt and loved it plain. Now he's back to barely eating. It's very very frustrating!! Why can't he just eat like a normal dog?!?! |
Maybe try the prey model? Whole chickens, feathers and all... Does Brinks chase shit? Are his hunting instincts in tact?
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Nah... those are my neighborhood kids. As in my alternative to my own.
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I don't have any trees or squirrels. And he doesn't care about birds.
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No I think he was just extra hungry from barely eating for 2 days.
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He does it, then gets bored. It's that simple I think.
I swear he's the most spoiled dog I know. We revolve nearly everything around him, and he wants for nearly nothing. Could we walk him more? Sure but you try with my work sked. Could he get more dog parks (not that we have any) or whatever? Sure but he's not the best with general public. He's awesome at our house once he "knows you", he's the biggest snuggler. But this whole feeding him is just another irritation we endure with him. |
Well if the on/off paticipation wasn't bad enough. His chin achne is still being problematic. Wife has been doing some online research and some say the high protien chicken diet may still cause problems.
We are low on chicken so she wants to try a grain free, venison & potatoe kibble. I just want his problems to be over. The zits, were the real reason why we started this, it hasn't fixed the problem. RESET. |
My Schnoodle has started her "sniff and wait" again. She'll eat the organs but wait till the other dog starts sniffing around the bowl before she'll eat the meat. It's about 30 % she'll eat the glop.
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My cats have already gotten complacent with this diet. I think we spend more money on their food than we do ours, so when they look at it then turn away I want to throw things. :lol: Picky little shits.
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Not really, I don't think you would say 1 mintue in a pan is cooking. More like a light seer to the skin.
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