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Kaneman 06-25-2011 10:04 AM
I actually don't feed the glop so I'd be the wrong person to ask on that one...

Gas Man 06-25-2011 11:09 AM
I think Vator was the big glopper. But I thought a few others did as well.

Kaneman, what else other than meat do you feed your hounds?

Kaneman 06-25-2011 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 478307)
I think Vator was the big glopper. But I thought a few others did as well.

Kaneman, what else other than meat do you feed your hounds?
White/Brown rice, Cottage cheese, olive oil, organ meat (heart, liver, etc.), any onion-free leftovers, some fish here and there, bananans and peanut butter. They love the cottage cheese.

Gas Man 06-25-2011 06:56 PM
Rice... right. That's a good cheap idea.

Kaneman 06-25-2011 07:52 PM
The glop they're making is probably the healthiest way too go to be honest. I think I'm going to try what Vator did on down the line here and see what happens.

OneSickPsycho 06-28-2011 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 469420)
The best part of the whole raw diet is the lack of dog landmines everywhere. :rockwoot:

I'll have to see what the wife paid for food today. I know they won't be eating rabbit unless they catch one. Friggen $18 a bunny !!!

So far their typical diet is for a 20 LB dog-5 ounces of meat tissue, 2 ounces organs, 8 ounces of vegetable glop X twice daily. Just multiply by 8 for a 160 LB dog. :lol

They get a raw egg three times a week. Shell and all.
You feed your 20lb dog, 4.68lbs of food per day????

I'm going to check out a butcher nearby this week... can I get your guys' recipes without sifting through 30 pages of posts?

VatorMan 06-29-2011 08:01 PM
Sorry I was absent- was at VIR wasting gas and rubber.

My wife just corrected my post. 2 OZ of Glop, 2 OZ of organs, and 4 OZ of meat per meal X 2. Thanks for correcting me OSP.

azoomm 06-30-2011 05:20 PM
Morning:
1 Egg - broken but shell and all into bowl
2 Chicken livers
1 Banana
2 large spoonfuls plain yogurt
1 spoonful peanut butter
1 tsp butter

Dinner:
1 Chicken thigh

We have played with her diet - up and down. She used to get less breakfast and more chicken for "dinner." But, watching her weight and activity level - this right now is suiting her best.

She is a 65lb Black Lab. She turned 14 in May.

The main trick for this diet is to know your pet. Pay attention to your pet and watch their gain/loss of weight. Knowing their activity level and personality is key as well. What I LOVE about Sadie now is how close we are. She now doesn't behave like a typical pet - she is another child of mine.

Gas Man 07-01-2011 02:55 AM
We've had a ruff go here this week. Last weekend he got the last rawhide bone we had on hand. He tore it up faster than we've ever seen him. He was lovin it.

But now this week he's less "into" the chicken. Further, his poop, suffered from that rawhide. So he may not get any more of those.

I got him to eat some more. He hasn't eaten for nuttin all week. I had some left over bbq'ed chicken (3 qrts) that I shredded the meat off and fed to him with one raw. He ate that along with a scoop or two of glop.

Told the wife, not to pull anymore glop from the freezer till he eats his normal amount of chicken.

Kaneman 07-01-2011 10:25 AM
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Contrary to the unfortunately very popular belief, those yummy little rawhide bone treats we give our dogs to provide distraction for our pets are actually quite bad for them.Pick up a rawhide treat now-they come in all shapes and sizes. Some come in the rectangular flat disks, while others are cleverly twisted into replicas of real bones. They all have one thing in common though-the ability to make a dog very, very ill.

Dogs eat the way fish do-until all the food is gone. Their instincts tell them that when the food is there it must be gorged upon as they never know when their next meal will be. Also, in the wild, dogs come in packs. First come, first serve, so stuff yourself and you will survive. While this is not the case for most domesticated dogs, the instinct to eat everything super-fast is still there.

Which is exactly why those rawhide treats are so dangerous.

Think about it-those treats are designed to be gnawed upon for at least an hour's time, leaving a mutt gaily chewing on his little rawhide delicacy until he bores of it and wanders away. The reality is most dogs will have those little bones half-consumed within just a few minutes, with the entirety gone in less than half an hour.

While that may sound like a simple piggish act on your dog's part, a serious complication may be in the making. Those pieces of rawhide, when swallowed in massive sizes, as they most often are, do not digest in the dog's body. This means the dog has to either pass a very large blockage or retain a very large blockage, both of which are extremely painful for the poor creature, with the latter being potentially fatal.

The best treat you can give your dog is your attention, time, and activity. If you MUST give your dog something to chew on, stick with real bones, such as raw knuckle bones, or pig and beef feet. As these are naturally hard and cannot be easily swallowed, provided the actual bone is larger than your dog's mouth, the fear of ingestion is less of a worry.

Gas Man 07-02-2011 10:50 PM
Yeah I know. Usually he takes his time and chews on a large one for weeks. Like you said, till he bores. This last one he went at a bit different than normal. But we'll see. He's starting to eat more again. And I must remember that he has always bored fast of the "same food". We noticed before but now it's more noticeable because of the feeding time vs a bowl of kibble just sitting thr.

OneSickPsycho 07-06-2011 10:41 AM
redflip
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 200643)
This is an update on the a conversation we had regarding putting your pooches on a "raw" diet.

We switched from commercial pet food (Pedigree dry, choice cuts and missing link) a few months ago to a raw meaty bone diet in an effort to ensure the health and stamina of my 90lb male Boxer and 65lb female Lab.

Initially I was using chicken necks and leg quarters as the main sources of meat but after a few raw vomiting episodes it became clear that they weren't chewing the neck bones enough and just gulping them down. I switched over to whole carcasses to force them to learn to chew and began feeding once a day instead of twice a day.

There are always good deals somewhere on whole chickens so there has not been a large cost increase compared to commercial dog food. The dogs main staple is 1/2 whole chicken, warmed to room temperature. I try to cut them in half so that the Boxer gets a bit more, but I don't weigh their food or anything to determine portion size....because they're dogs.

They get a ground beef/steak mix consisting of eggs, banana, some veggies and sardines/olive oil once or twice a week. They also get a whole raw fish (guts and all) once a week.

The results have been very positive, here are the bullet points of my experience thus far.

* Dogs thoroughly enjoy chewing and eating the food and seem very satisfied afterwards. They now have very well developed jaw and neck muscles.

* Dogs strength and stamina has improved on long runs and uphill pulls.

* Dogs have a very full and shiny coat that feels very healthy to the touch.

* Both dogs used to throw up once a week or so on the commercial diet. This is no longer a problem.

* The have completed ceased chewing on anything left out during the day and now have open access to the house while I'm gone...usually about 9 hours a day.

* They rarely fart and never have bad breath.

* And best of all, at our yearly vet exam a couple weeks ago the vet told me they were the healthiest dogs he had seen come into his office. Their muscle to fat ratio was perfect, their teeth and gums were exceedingly clean, and thorough testing revealed absolutely no bacteria or parasites in their digestive system. He was especially impressed with their muscle definition.

So far so good...we're definitely going to stick with it and keep watching them closely. My good friend came over while they were eating one day and asked a lot of quesitons. He switched his black lab over to raw and reported even better improvements than I got.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 207834)
Here is a quick update along with requested photos. We actually went to adopt a pitbull pup today from a local rescue and were denied because of the diet we feed. There was concern that salmonela poisoning was going to kill our dogs and their rescue. Our dogs obvious display of perfect health was not enough to counter their fears.

I try to find whole chickens for $.75 to $.85 a pound.

Cut it in half...I slice a little more on one side to give our larger boxer a bigger portion. This is an entire day's worth of food.

I put it in hot water to warm to near room temp. My understanding is that cold meat slows down the digestive process.

Then there is of course the mandatory sit and stare at your delicious chicken until I say differently because I'm bigger than you exercise....

Then there is only heaven.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 209772)
Well I picked up a grinder from Cabelas for $40 that clamps down and was pretty impressed. It took a while to grind down 10 lbs of chicken but it got the job done.

Here is my recipe for this weeks mix, already ground up, pre-mixed and packaged so feeding is a snap.

5lb ground beef
10lb dark chicken
3lb white chicken
2 large salmon filets
3/4 container of chicken liver
2 cups yogurt, plain
1 bell pepper pured
1/2 dozen jumbo eggs
some olive oil

They seem to be enjoying it, lol. In the couple of days that our new Pit puppy has been on this diet his coat has already started to show a glossy sheen and the spot of mange on his forehead is healed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 264694)
They have the digestive system to take care of the things in raw chicken that would make you or me sick. You can't feed them chicken alone and I do feed raw red meats as well, depending on what is on sale that week. They also get eggs, cottage cheese, leftovers, pork and so on.

Red meat is $2+ lb vs. chicken at $.59 a lb. so chicken is the obvious choice to make up the bulk of their protein.

As the bones are part of their diet and cooked bones are dangerous to dogs feeding cooked is not an option. I do buy a big bag of quarters every week, boil that and strip the meat for a quick meal that isn't messy when I'm in a rush. Its more of a back up meal. A lot of fat is not a problem because they are not eating carbs, only fat and protein. Whole chickens have a good fat/protein ration.

In the time that I've been doing this I've seen my dogs digestive problems (throwing up, diarrhea, farts) virtually disappear. They have not been sick at all in the last 6 months.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 264811)
:lol: I fed beef heart and liver the other day, first time I've ever actually bought a cow's heart. I cut 'em up in thirds and gave them to the dogs.

Organ meat is a much richer than muscle and I guess their stomachs weren't ready for that. Nothing will clear a room faster than raw organ farts. Good sweet Jesus.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 265206)
We got some beef livers because they are soft and juicy. Cats have never had to chew before and that is the problem with Triumph(the 'what the fuck is this shit?' cat). I cut tiny little pieces up for him and mixed it with wet cat food. He would pick up the liver pieces, realize he had to work to get it down and spit it back out. :rolleyes:

Eva(the 'I love it, give me more!' cat) devoured all that we gave her then 20 minutes later we had bloody vomit to clean up on the carpet. :lol: It was disgusting.

Main point is, we have cats because they are low maintenance. We can put out a bowl of kibble and be gone for a couple of days and they'd be fine. We don't have the type of life that we can be home twice a day everyday, ya know?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdgenlxi (Post 324424)
Well... I've been doing alot of research on this lately as well, and decided to get Piggy off of the "poison" (as most referred to kibble as, lol), and get her headed in the right direction to a long healthy life. I always knew kibble foods weren't the greatest for dogs, but didn't know just how bad until I started digging a little deeper... YIKES!!

So today (sun), was Piggys first day on her new RAW meaty bones diet! As recommended by everything I've read, I started out very simple: plain chicken quarters. Everyone said don't add variety just yet, just pick one meat and stick with it for a couple weeks and let the dogs body get used to eating and digesting "real" food, then start adding variety, organs, etc.

I got her a 16" pizza pan too to eat off of, so there's room for her to pick stuff apart without getting it all over the kitchen floor.

Small doses to start off with until I know everything is going well. I fasted her yesterday to let everything else work it's way through first

At first she looked a little confused, like "ummm what do I do with this??" LOL. She kept looking up at me, then back down at the chicken, then up at me again, then she just started licking it, hahah

After a few minutes though, she was going to town on it. I watched her the whole time to make sure she didn't try and gulp it (she usually tends to eat pretty fast cuz of the other dogs always coming around her food bowl). But she did great... took her time and chewed everything, crunched all the bones, and all was good. Took her probably 15 mins to finish both pieces. She didn't leave so much as a crumb behind, hahah

She has hip dysplasia and very dry itchy skin in the winter time, and from what I've read, this should help out with both of those. She had a yeast infection in her right ear recently too, but that seemed to be just a one time thing and hasn't happened before that or since. A little maximum strength Vagisil took care of it no prob anyways, lol

So, we'll see how it goes! I'm cutting her feeding down to 1 meal per day and will watch her weight carefully. Hopefully it goes well! Never heard a single bad thing about a raw diet though
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmike (Post 388270)
Our dog gets mostly meat. They are naturally carnivores. A few of the meals she gets are "medleys" which have certain veggies or berries in them that aid digestion.

With a properly varied diet, supplements shouldn't be necessary except in extreme cases. The dogs get all the nutrients from the food just like their ancestors did in the wild.

We have switched from leaving dry food out for her to graze on to two feedings per day. She'll usually finish it within 10 seconds. On the rare occasion that it is not gone, we usually throw it away. We have left the raw meat out and left. It is gone by the time we get home.

It is definitely not cheaper than kibble. Our raw diet costs about 2X's what dry food would but we aren't bargain shoppers. Convenience > cost.



A raw food diet is the better, easier way. It's not cheaper though.

If you don't want to deal with the preparations that some of these guys go through, do what we do:
We have a local "Pet Deli" that prepackages all meals into individual packages. They are kept in the freezer. When the dog gets her dinner, we pull tomorrow's meals into the fridge to defrost. The next day, open the package and serve. Can't get much easier than that. :idk:
Quote:
Originally Posted by defector (Post 388291)
I can give you my answers on these, but I may not be doing it like everyone else.
1. My dogs get meat [on the bone], eggs, and vegetables daily. Yogurt every other day, and a whole fish once a week (in place of meat).
2. I don't give them supplements normally
3. I have no problem with them not eating it all in 1 sitting. Hasn't happened yet.
4. I don't leave raw meat laying around.
5. It isn't cheaper (or more convenient), from what I can tell. Although my beasts used to go through quite a bit of bag food anyway, and that wasn't exactly cheap either.

Basically, every Sunday I do all the major prepping for the entire week. I usually just buy whole chickens and portion them myself. In a pinch I will use leg quarters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmike (Post 388763)
For the treats, yes. She still gets them and is as excited now as when she was on a super-bland kibble diet.

The rule of thumb with raw foods is about 2% of body weight per day. That means Brinks would need about 3lbs of food, give or take.

Hopefully Kaneman will chime in on the best way to make that happen. It takes our dog almost 2 weeks to eat that much food! :lol:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 388801)
The weight percentage shmike mentioned is a good rule of thumb, and then you just vary it based on your dog's metabolism. My big guy weighs 90lbs and eats about a half a chicken a day, plus "fixins." He has a very high metabolism, I don't think a 150lb dog would eat a whole lot more. A whole chicken a day seems like a lot, but if you're talking a small chicken, like 2.5lbs...then that might be good.

I would find a Mastiff forum, most dog forums these days have a Raw Diet sub forum so you can see what other breed owners are doing for their dogs.

I don't give my dogs anything to chew on, no raw hide or anything. Its too hard to keep an eye on them with stuff like that laying around for me, but they don't chew up any of my stuff so its all good. The raw diet is supposed to satisfy that urge they have to chew stuff, seems to work.

I feed once or twice a day, depends on what food they're getting. Raw meaty meals are fed once, ground meals twice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 461319)
We actually make a "glop" which is a bunch of raw veggies,eggs, yogurt, and a bit of molasses and freeze it. We have it sectioned out so its easy to just transfer a container of glop to the fridge to thaw before feeding.

I have beef and chicken sections separated into organs vs. Muscle so it's very easy to put a meal together for the dogs. We shop at the local Amish market so we get all fresh meat. We can get fresh duck and rabbit as well. It's fun to shop for the dogs as much as for us.

Lesson learned. Serve beef bones with marrow outside unless you want to mop the floor following feeding.
:whosr:

OneSickPsycho 07-06-2011 10:42 AM
redflip
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 200643)
This is an update on the a conversation we had regarding putting your pooches on a "raw" diet.

We switched from commercial pet food (Pedigree dry, choice cuts and missing link) a few months ago to a raw meaty bone diet in an effort to ensure the health and stamina of my 90lb male Boxer and 65lb female Lab.

Initially I was using chicken necks and leg quarters as the main sources of meat but after a few raw vomiting episodes it became clear that they weren't chewing the neck bones enough and just gulping them down. I switched over to whole carcasses to force them to learn to chew and began feeding once a day instead of twice a day.

There are always good deals somewhere on whole chickens so there has not been a large cost increase compared to commercial dog food. The dogs main staple is 1/2 whole chicken, warmed to room temperature. I try to cut them in half so that the Boxer gets a bit more, but I don't weigh their food or anything to determine portion size....because they're dogs.

They get a ground beef/steak mix consisting of eggs, banana, some veggies and sardines/olive oil once or twice a week. They also get a whole raw fish (guts and all) once a week.

The results have been very positive, here are the bullet points of my experience thus far.

* Dogs thoroughly enjoy chewing and eating the food and seem very satisfied afterwards. They now have very well developed jaw and neck muscles.

* Dogs strength and stamina has improved on long runs and uphill pulls.

* Dogs have a very full and shiny coat that feels very healthy to the touch.

* Both dogs used to throw up once a week or so on the commercial diet. This is no longer a problem.

* The have completed ceased chewing on anything left out during the day and now have open access to the house while I'm gone...usually about 9 hours a day.

* They rarely fart and never have bad breath.

* And best of all, at our yearly vet exam a couple weeks ago the vet told me they were the healthiest dogs he had seen come into his office. Their muscle to fat ratio was perfect, their teeth and gums were exceedingly clean, and thorough testing revealed absolutely no bacteria or parasites in their digestive system. He was especially impressed with their muscle definition.

So far so good...we're definitely going to stick with it and keep watching them closely. My good friend came over while they were eating one day and asked a lot of quesitons. He switched his black lab over to raw and reported even better improvements than I got.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 207834)
Here is a quick update along with requested photos. We actually went to adopt a pitbull pup today from a local rescue and were denied because of the diet we feed. There was concern that salmonela poisoning was going to kill our dogs and their rescue. Our dogs obvious display of perfect health was not enough to counter their fears.

I try to find whole chickens for $.75 to $.85 a pound.

Cut it in half...I slice a little more on one side to give our larger boxer a bigger portion. This is an entire day's worth of food.

I put it in hot water to warm to near room temp. My understanding is that cold meat slows down the digestive process.

Then there is of course the mandatory sit and stare at your delicious chicken until I say differently because I'm bigger than you exercise....

Then there is only heaven.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 209772)
Well I picked up a grinder from Cabelas for $40 that clamps down and was pretty impressed. It took a while to grind down 10 lbs of chicken but it got the job done.

Here is my recipe for this weeks mix, already ground up, pre-mixed and packaged so feeding is a snap.

5lb ground beef
10lb dark chicken
3lb white chicken
2 large salmon filets
3/4 container of chicken liver
2 cups yogurt, plain
1 bell pepper pured
1/2 dozen jumbo eggs
some olive oil

They seem to be enjoying it, lol. In the couple of days that our new Pit puppy has been on this diet his coat has already started to show a glossy sheen and the spot of mange on his forehead is healed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 264694)
They have the digestive system to take care of the things in raw chicken that would make you or me sick. You can't feed them chicken alone and I do feed raw red meats as well, depending on what is on sale that week. They also get eggs, cottage cheese, leftovers, pork and so on.

Red meat is $2+ lb vs. chicken at $.59 a lb. so chicken is the obvious choice to make up the bulk of their protein.

As the bones are part of their diet and cooked bones are dangerous to dogs feeding cooked is not an option. I do buy a big bag of quarters every week, boil that and strip the meat for a quick meal that isn't messy when I'm in a rush. Its more of a back up meal. A lot of fat is not a problem because they are not eating carbs, only fat and protein. Whole chickens have a good fat/protein ration.

In the time that I've been doing this I've seen my dogs digestive problems (throwing up, diarrhea, farts) virtually disappear. They have not been sick at all in the last 6 months.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 264811)
:lol: I fed beef heart and liver the other day, first time I've ever actually bought a cow's heart. I cut 'em up in thirds and gave them to the dogs.

Organ meat is a much richer than muscle and I guess their stomachs weren't ready for that. Nothing will clear a room faster than raw organ farts. Good sweet Jesus.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 265206)
We got some beef livers because they are soft and juicy. Cats have never had to chew before and that is the problem with Triumph(the 'what the fuck is this shit?' cat). I cut tiny little pieces up for him and mixed it with wet cat food. He would pick up the liver pieces, realize he had to work to get it down and spit it back out. :rolleyes:

Eva(the 'I love it, give me more!' cat) devoured all that we gave her then 20 minutes later we had bloody vomit to clean up on the carpet. :lol: It was disgusting.

Main point is, we have cats because they are low maintenance. We can put out a bowl of kibble and be gone for a couple of days and they'd be fine. We don't have the type of life that we can be home twice a day everyday, ya know?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdgenlxi (Post 324424)
Well... I've been doing alot of research on this lately as well, and decided to get Piggy off of the "poison" (as most referred to kibble as, lol), and get her headed in the right direction to a long healthy life. I always knew kibble foods weren't the greatest for dogs, but didn't know just how bad until I started digging a little deeper... YIKES!!

So today (sun), was Piggys first day on her new RAW meaty bones diet! As recommended by everything I've read, I started out very simple: plain chicken quarters. Everyone said don't add variety just yet, just pick one meat and stick with it for a couple weeks and let the dogs body get used to eating and digesting "real" food, then start adding variety, organs, etc.

I got her a 16" pizza pan too to eat off of, so there's room for her to pick stuff apart without getting it all over the kitchen floor.

Small doses to start off with until I know everything is going well. I fasted her yesterday to let everything else work it's way through first

At first she looked a little confused, like "ummm what do I do with this??" LOL. She kept looking up at me, then back down at the chicken, then up at me again, then she just started licking it, hahah

After a few minutes though, she was going to town on it. I watched her the whole time to make sure she didn't try and gulp it (she usually tends to eat pretty fast cuz of the other dogs always coming around her food bowl). But she did great... took her time and chewed everything, crunched all the bones, and all was good. Took her probably 15 mins to finish both pieces. She didn't leave so much as a crumb behind, hahah

She has hip dysplasia and very dry itchy skin in the winter time, and from what I've read, this should help out with both of those. She had a yeast infection in her right ear recently too, but that seemed to be just a one time thing and hasn't happened before that or since. A little maximum strength Vagisil took care of it no prob anyways, lol

So, we'll see how it goes! I'm cutting her feeding down to 1 meal per day and will watch her weight carefully. Hopefully it goes well! Never heard a single bad thing about a raw diet though
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmike (Post 388270)
Our dog gets mostly meat. They are naturally carnivores. A few of the meals she gets are "medleys" which have certain veggies or berries in them that aid digestion.

With a properly varied diet, supplements shouldn't be necessary except in extreme cases. The dogs get all the nutrients from the food just like their ancestors did in the wild.

We have switched from leaving dry food out for her to graze on to two feedings per day. She'll usually finish it within 10 seconds. On the rare occasion that it is not gone, we usually throw it away. We have left the raw meat out and left. It is gone by the time we get home.

It is definitely not cheaper than kibble. Our raw diet costs about 2X's what dry food would but we aren't bargain shoppers. Convenience > cost.



A raw food diet is the better, easier way. It's not cheaper though.

If you don't want to deal with the preparations that some of these guys go through, do what we do:
We have a local "Pet Deli" that prepackages all meals into individual packages. They are kept in the freezer. When the dog gets her dinner, we pull tomorrow's meals into the fridge to defrost. The next day, open the package and serve. Can't get much easier than that. :idk:
Quote:
Originally Posted by defector (Post 388291)
I can give you my answers on these, but I may not be doing it like everyone else.
1. My dogs get meat [on the bone], eggs, and vegetables daily. Yogurt every other day, and a whole fish once a week (in place of meat).
2. I don't give them supplements normally
3. I have no problem with them not eating it all in 1 sitting. Hasn't happened yet.
4. I don't leave raw meat laying around.
5. It isn't cheaper (or more convenient), from what I can tell. Although my beasts used to go through quite a bit of bag food anyway, and that wasn't exactly cheap either.

Basically, every Sunday I do all the major prepping for the entire week. I usually just buy whole chickens and portion them myself. In a pinch I will use leg quarters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmike (Post 388763)
For the treats, yes. She still gets them and is as excited now as when she was on a super-bland kibble diet.

The rule of thumb with raw foods is about 2% of body weight per day. That means Brinks would need about 3lbs of food, give or take.

Hopefully Kaneman will chime in on the best way to make that happen. It takes our dog almost 2 weeks to eat that much food! :lol:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 388801)
The weight percentage shmike mentioned is a good rule of thumb, and then you just vary it based on your dog's metabolism. My big guy weighs 90lbs and eats about a half a chicken a day, plus "fixins." He has a very high metabolism, I don't think a 150lb dog would eat a whole lot more. A whole chicken a day seems like a lot, but if you're talking a small chicken, like 2.5lbs...then that might be good.

I would find a Mastiff forum, most dog forums these days have a Raw Diet sub forum so you can see what other breed owners are doing for their dogs.

I don't give my dogs anything to chew on, no raw hide or anything. Its too hard to keep an eye on them with stuff like that laying around for me, but they don't chew up any of my stuff so its all good. The raw diet is supposed to satisfy that urge they have to chew stuff, seems to work.

I feed once or twice a day, depends on what food they're getting. Raw meaty meals are fed once, ground meals twice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 461319)
We actually make a "glop" which is a bunch of raw veggies,eggs, yogurt, and a bit of molasses and freeze it. We have it sectioned out so its easy to just transfer a container of glop to the fridge to thaw before feeding.

I have beef and chicken sections separated into organs vs. Muscle so it's very easy to put a meal together for the dogs. We shop at the local Amish market so we get all fresh meat. We can get fresh duck and rabbit as well. It's fun to shop for the dogs as much as for us.

Lesson learned. Serve beef bones with marrow outside unless you want to mop the floor following feeding.
:whosr:

OneSickPsycho 07-06-2011 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by asdgirl (Post 462240)
I have started my 2 Danes on raw finally. It's slow and they still get expensive kibble, but I wanted to introduce the raw to them first to make sure they could handle it.

I also decided to do it after getting my emaciated second Dane, Lexi. It was a perfect opportunity to start her on something GOOD compared to the damn Old Roy shit she was eating before.

Lexi just turned 3 and Andre just turned 5.

I started them off on turkey necks and we alternate between those and half chicken breasts without the skin for now (poop is not runny when taking the skin off).

Never had any throw up issues, choke issues, nothing.

They are both doing fantastic on it and I can see it is doing a lot for Lexi and isn't taking her as long to bulk up on raw than it did for Andre on kibble.

They also get raw egg (she gets all including shell, he gets just the egg as he refuses the shell), peanut butter, and some cheese and garlic powder.

Hadn't heard of the pat of butter thing. I'll try it as it is dry here lately and both have dry skin.

This month I will slowly be moving them to raw-only. :rockwoot:
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 469422)
Its cheaper before you add in the meds, vet costs and bones to chew. Raw meat is cheaper than premium dog foods per lb, and certainly more healthy.

I'm paying $.59 - $.89 per lb for leg quarters and whole chickens. I buy cottage cheese and the other supplemental on sale every week. How much you have to feed Brinks depends not only on his size, but his activity level as well. Start with a half a chicken's worth a day and go from there. Pay attention to his ribs and amount of body fat. If he starts getting too skinny, feed him more.

As far as known allergies and issues like you mentioned with his thyroid, everything we know medically about dogs is based on them eating food that they can't process correctly. For example, Rottweilers are known to have hip displasia "because they're so big", however it could just as easily be degenerated hip bones, tendons and muscles from 10 years of eating shit food that causes them to be crippled.

I don't like the slow conversion because when you feed raw and kibble combined the kibble slows the digestion down and allows bacteria from the raw meat to grow. Although I have mixed them before and had no problem I prefer the cold turkey (get it) method and switched all mine over in one day.
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 469442)
If you have a set feeding time then just put the chicken out for him at that time, give him 5 minutes or whatever and if he doesn't eat it put it back in the fridge and repeat the next day. He'll eat it eventually... My Boxer/Mastiff was pretty skeptical at first, but he came around and now gives the same reaction if you try to feed him kibble. :lol:

Maybe put some other stuff he likes in there with the chicken, or you can feed raw beef instead the first day....I bet he'll eat that.
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 469455)
This is true, dogs can get roundworm from raw pork. Sometimes my brother in law gives me pork that he buys in bulk and lets go bad in the freezer. I cook it then feed it to the dogs, never had a problem with that.

Any other meat should be ok raw though.
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 469479)
So far our dogs have had chicken,duck,rabbit,beef, and goose. No pork. If I can catch Mr. Groundhog this year.they'll have that.
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 469568)
That's where you use raw veggies,yogurt,eggs, molasses. We buy a lot of leafy greens{kale,romaine,broccoli,spinach,....) carrots,celery,etc..pretty much everything but onions. We have an industrial food processor and make a veggie glop. We have to make some tomorrow. I'll snap some pics. Tell you what-I'll snap pics of tomorrow's dinner.
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 469574)
BTW-Wife bought meat and veggies-enough for almost 2 months for 3 20 lb dogs and spent $50. She uses coupons and watches the weekly sale paper but you get the idea. Remember-you are buying the stuff most people don't buy. Chicken backs and necks,liver,gizzards,hearts etc...
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 469730)
Here they are. As you can see, Leafy veggies, carrots, ginger root, garlic,berries eggs,yogurt.vinegar and molasses. Damn dogs eat healthier than us humans. :lol

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21...Rawdiet001.jpg

Monster food processor. We burned up our Harry Homeowner model doing this shit. Basically 3 eggs, yogurt, and molasses per run. We did 4 runs.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21...Rawdiet005.jpg

Never said it looked good.

DAMN-it looks like a hideous experiment. Now you see why we call it glop.But the dogs love it.

Ready for freezing. About 2 months worth. Total cost- $20

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21...Rawdiet009.jpg

Tonight's dinner. Beef ribs,chicken hearts and livers, and glop.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21...Rawdiet011.jpg
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 469761)
WOW Vator... that looks awesome.

Uma & I doing more research tonight....

Don't listen to the vets.
Don't feed them pork.
Don't cook anything but maybe vegs.
Cold turkey switching is best
no vegs for first few weeks, just meat.
slightly browned hamburger is good to help switch
I can buy used fridge/freezers locally on craiglists all day long.

Oh and according to the math of 3% of the dogs body weight (150#) he needs about 4lbs of food a day!!!!!!!!

Really?!?!?
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 471812)
Sadie eats in one place, it's a tile floor and gets cleaned after she eats. The chicken gets dropped on the floor by her when she eats, it just happens. That doesn't mean she won't try and sneak it away.... :lol:
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 471835)
I use a Swiffer Wet with antibacterial stuff, takes less than a minute to clean up.....or I feed them outside when its nice.



Definitely a freezer. You can transfer a daily meal to your fridge to dethaw it, but to avoid going to the store all the time it pays to have a freezer.
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 471999)
My dog always behaves like her paws taste like peanut butter after breakfast. Probably because there is peanut butter in her mouth :lol:

I divide her food into single meal portions in cheap Ziploc plastic containers. Those go into the freezer. I have two in the fridge at all times, one thawing and one thawed for dinner. I rotate them. The bulk of them are in the freezer. At one time, we used freezer bags. But, the plastic containers are reuseable.
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 472028)
I'm worried abt thaw time. Whole chickens aren't gg to thaw fast. And our fridge is always packed. 2 gals of milk, 2 oj gals, beer, soda, lots of left overs. No room for 2 or 3 whole chickens is various states of frozen/thaw.
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 472051)
I fill the sink with hot water and soak it to dethaw...
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 474208)
Thinking of making the switch sunday (later today). Question. Have any of you had any issues with the switch? Puking? Difficulty pooping? Do they poop whole pieces of bone or no?

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this:
As long as he's chewing up the bones, no worries.
He gets 30 mins with his chicken pieces, if he don't eat it, back in the fridge, waits till following day.
Sit and wait for the food.
No more kibble.
Just run chicken, no veggies or other meats, for 2-3 weeks.
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 474266)
All my dogs threw up a couple of times during the first month. There was always bone fragments in the puke, but I think that was mainly because I was feeding pieces too small for them to have to chew (neck bones)

The poop should be nothing more than compacted bone dust. It will turn while and basically be a powder when it dries....there should be no whole bone fragments in their poop.

Sometimes it helps to feed them by hand, you can teach them how to eat correctly by not letting them swallow it whole, :lol:
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 476907)
Well picked up the food processor... it's a beast!

Bought carrots, lettuce, cucumber, garlic to make the veggy glop.
Frozen berries, apple, pear, yogurt to make the fruit glop. We bought bananas as well but forgot to put them in.

We combined all that and had Brinks taste testing it the whole way.

Like Vators it doesn't look good and while the fruit style tasted good, when you mixed in the garlicy veggy, it tasted funky. But Brinks LOVE LOVE LOVED it. He was drooling waiting for his next taste.
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 479074)
Sorry I was absent- was at VIR wasting gas and rubber.

My wife just corrected my post. 2 OZ of Glop, 2 OZ of organs, and 4 OZ of meat per meal X 2. Thanks for correcting me OSP.
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 479237)
Morning:
1 Egg - broken but shell and all into bowl
2 Chicken livers
1 Banana
2 large spoonfuls plain yogurt
1 spoonful peanut butter
1 tsp butter

Dinner:
1 Chicken thigh

We have played with her diet - up and down. She used to get less breakfast and more chicken for "dinner." But, watching her weight and activity level - this right now is suiting her best.

She is a 65lb Black Lab. She turned 14 in May.

The main trick for this diet is to know your pet. Pay attention to your pet and watch their gain/loss of weight. Knowing their activity level and personality is key as well. What I LOVE about Sadie now is how close we are. She now doesn't behave like a typical pet - she is another child of mine.
Quoted for my own personal reference...redflip

Gloppers... do you make one kind of glop or two? Seemed like GM was talking about making two different ones... a veggie and a fruit. If so, do you altnernate? I think maybe making two, both combos of veggies and fruit, would be the way to go... keep the dogs interested... though I only change kibble flavors about every 2-3 weeks (same kind, just differnet flavor)...

I'm figuring for Taco @ around 95lbs, he should get about 2.5lbs of meat per day... using 2-3% as the baseline... For Belle @ around 30lbs, she should get 1lb of meat per day... using a bit over 3% as the baseline (figuring she's a growing puppy)... gonna try it with the cats too, fuck it.

Correct me if I'm wrong... Here's my plan...

Gonna buy a freezer and a food processor... freezer first, processor not so urgent... Look for deals at the grocery store, but will also check out the butcher down the road (you walk in and say you want 'that' chicken and they slaughter it on the spot... AND it's less than 3 miles from the house!).

When the last of their kibble is gone (est another 1.5 weeks)... I will present them with a whole chicken... well, ~2/3 for Taco and the other ~1/4 for Belle... and the other ~1/4 split between the cats. I think I'll just put it in their dishes, chopped up so they don't pull the whole damn thing out and eat it off the floor. We'll do that twice a day for a couple of weeks, then start glopping.

We'll mix up some veggie/fruit glop at that point and add it to the mix... maybe 1/4 cup for Taco, 2 tablespoons for Belle, and a tablespoon for each cat along with the meat... Not sure on the portion sizes there... Obviously their weight at that point will make the difference... if I see ribs/getting fatty/etc... but I guess what I'm asking is what's the right glop to meat ratio? Is that in addition to the weight of the meat or is that a combined weight (the 2-3%)?

Probably will buy a grinder down the road and make some prepackaged meals for dog sitters, boarding, etc. I figure that would make it much easier... just buy a bunch of zip loc containers and freeze them... whoever watches them just busts out a couple a day and forget about it.

defector 07-06-2011 01:30 PM
I don't have a specific fruit/veggie mix, but...
Since we also have an iguana, I have started sneaking some of his leafy greens/veggies/fruits in the dog's mix. I just toss everything that isn't meat in the processor for a few seconds.

VatorMan 07-06-2011 01:56 PM
I'm thinking of patenting the word "Glop." Everyone owes me $1 for every use per post.

OneSickPsycho 07-06-2011 02:19 PM
More reading this afternoon...

Found this: http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html

It says the veggie portion is completely unnecessary... thoughts?

Kaneman 07-06-2011 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 480227)
More reading this afternoon...

Found this: http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html

It says the veggie portion is completely unnecessary... thoughts?
I personally don't do it and have never had a problem.

VatorMan 07-06-2011 02:53 PM
Well, my dog's diet was championed by a California hippy. That diet seems to mimic a wolfs typical diet. I guess it's all in what you want to feed your animals. I would guess since we (humans) get nourishment from veggies, so would my dogs. Plus they like it and it stretches our food $$.

OneSickPsycho 07-06-2011 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 480230)
I personally don't do it and have never had a problem.
Yeah, but didn't you say you do supplement the meat portion with rice or something?

OneSickPsycho 07-06-2011 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 480232)
Well, my dog's diet was championed by a California hippy. That diet seems to mimic a wolfs typical diet. I guess it's all in what you want to feed your animals. I would guess since we (humans) get nourishment from veggies, so would my dogs. Plus they like it and it stretches our food $$.
Yeah, I like the stretching of the $$ too, but I just want to make sure we're doing what's best for the dogs... If they don't need it, I won't give it... Saves me money on a food processor and shit too...

VatorMan 07-06-2011 03:13 PM
Well, my dog's diet was championed by a California hippy. That diet seems to mimic a wolfs typical diet. I guess it's all in what you want to feed your animals. I would guess since we (humans) get nourishment from veggies, so would my dogs. Plus they like it and it stretches our food $$.

defector 07-06-2011 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 480227)
More reading this afternoon...

Found this: http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html

It says the veggie portion is completely unnecessary... thoughts?
I would probably say it isn't necessary. But we have to buy the veggie stuff anyway, so if the dogs can help eat the collard greens, then I don't have to. :lol:

Kaneman 07-07-2011 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 480233)
Yeah, but didn't you say you do supplement the meat portion with rice or something?
Yea, I don't feed strictly chicken....but I don't really use any veggies or anything. Every once in a while I'll have some leftover onion-less stirfry with broccoli and stuff that the dogs will eat.

I use rice, olive oil, cottage cheese, yogurt and organs to go with the chicken.

OneSickPsycho 07-07-2011 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 480309)
Yea, I don't feed strictly chicken....but I don't really use any veggies or anything. Every once in a while I'll have some leftover onion-less stirfry with broccoli and stuff that the dogs will eat.

I use rice, olive oil, cottage cheese, yogurt and organs to go with the chicken.
Not to :deadhorse:, but isn't feeding rice counterproductive to the whole point of going raw... getting rid of the grains and bullshit that's in mass produced dog food?

Kaneman 07-07-2011 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 480312)
Not to :deadhorse:, but isn't feeding rice counterproductive to the whole point of going raw... getting rid of the grains and bullshit that's in mass produced dog food?
Pretty big difference between feeding some freshly cooked rice and feeding processed dog food with wheat, brewers rice (very low quality shitty rice), barley, God knows what kinds of chemicals, "by-products", corn, bran, yeast, etc., etc. The rice gets 'em extra full and makes them feel satisfied and lazy while saving me some cash. They don't have any problem processing plain ol' white rice.

The absolute main reason that I feed raw meat is because I learned that they just don't use very much meat in dog food....and dogs fucking love meat. :lol:

OneSickPsycho 07-07-2011 09:24 AM
Cool beans... makes sense... I think we're just going to go 100% meat. Fuck it.

Great video I found btw... the comment in the first minute or so is priceless... "when the dogs eat baby bunnies like little Tootsie Rolls..." :slol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLT...eature=related

Gas Man 07-12-2011 08:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 480195)
Quoted for my own personal reference...redflip

Gloppers... do you make one kind of glop or two? Seemed like GM was talking about making two different ones... a veggie and a fruit. If so, do you altnernate? I think maybe making two, both combos of veggies and fruit, would be the way to go... keep the dogs interested... though I only change kibble flavors about every 2-3 weeks (same kind, just differnet flavor)...

I'm figuring for Taco @ around 95lbs, he should get about 2.5lbs of meat per day... using 2-3% as the baseline... For Belle @ around 30lbs, she should get 1lb of meat per day... using a bit over 3% as the baseline (figuring she's a growing puppy)... gonna try it with the cats too, fuck it.

Correct me if I'm wrong... Here's my plan...

Gonna buy a freezer and a food processor... freezer first, processor not so urgent... Look for deals at the grocery store, but will also check out the butcher down the road (you walk in and say you want 'that' chicken and they slaughter it on the spot... AND it's less than 3 miles from the house!).

When the last of their kibble is gone (est another 1.5 weeks)... I will present them with a whole chicken... well, ~2/3 for Taco and the other ~1/4 for Belle... and the other ~1/4 split between the cats. I think I'll just put it in their dishes, chopped up so they don't pull the whole damn thing out and eat it off the floor. We'll do that twice a day for a couple of weeks, then start glopping.

We'll mix up some veggie/fruit glop at that point and add it to the mix... maybe 1/4 cup for Taco, 2 tablespoons for Belle, and a tablespoon for each cat along with the meat... Not sure on the portion sizes there... Obviously their weight at that point will make the difference... if I see ribs/getting fatty/etc... but I guess what I'm asking is what's the right glop to meat ratio? Is that in addition to the weight of the meat or is that a combined weight (the 2-3%)?

Probably will buy a grinder down the road and make some prepackaged meals for dog sitters, boarding, etc. I figure that would make it much easier... just buy a bunch of zip loc containers and freeze them... whoever watches them just busts out a couple a day and forget about it.
I was making 2 glops but ended up just mixing them.

And they say to start with just raw meat for the first few weeks. This is reflective in my posts.

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Originally Posted by defector (Post 480221)
I don't have a specific fruit/veggie mix, but...
Since we also have an iguana, I have started sneaking some of his leafy greens/veggies/fruits in the dog's mix. I just toss everything that isn't meat in the processor for a few seconds.
I don't either... last night I noticed I had a few things I need to get rid of, so into the processor it all went...

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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 480225)
I'm thinking of patenting the word "Glop." Everyone owes me $1 for every use per post.
Check's in the mail. :skep:

Quote:
Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 480227)
More reading this afternoon...

Found this: http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html

It says the veggie portion is completely unnecessary... thoughts?
But that person also says 25% bone, and using organs. I do all the leg quart bone and don't currently do any organs. So I think that warrants veggies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 480232)
Well, my dog's diet was championed by a California hippy. That diet seems to mimic a wolfs typical diet. I guess it's all in what you want to feed your animals. I would guess since we (humans) get nourishment from veggies, so would my dogs. Plus they like it and it stretches our food $$.
I don't have a hippy but I just figure he eats the way I SHOULD eat. Healthy!

HurricaneHeather 07-13-2011 10:57 AM
OSP, give us updates with your cats too. I am thinking about trying it again with mine. It was a friggin nightmare the last time we tried. Should be fun. :lol:

OneSickPsycho 07-13-2011 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 481250)
OSP, give us updates with your cats too. I am thinking about trying it again with mine. It was a friggin nightmare the last time we tried. Should be fun. :lol:
Aye Aye...

Bought a stand up freezer last night... $30... looks great, we'll see how long it works...

Gonna drop by the butcher tonight after work... been meaning to for a while now, but the dogs have about 1 or 2 more meals of dog food left, so I gotta move quickly.

Tsunami 07-14-2011 12:03 AM
I want to get my stray kitty off kibbles too or at least incorporate some fresh stuff into her diet so I would be interested in cat updates as well. I know nothing about cats.

OneSickPsycho 07-14-2011 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Tsunami (Post 481331)
I want to get my stray kitty off kibbles too or at least incorporate some fresh stuff into her diet so I would be interested in cat updates as well. I know nothing about cats.
Cats are easy... They are just like dogs, only for the most part they could give a fuck about you... and they don't need to be potty trained... and they aren't NEARLY as much of a pain in the ass...

Kaneman 07-14-2011 09:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 481250)
OSP, give us updates with your cats too. I am thinking about trying it again with mine. It was a friggin nightmare the last time we tried. Should be fun. :lol:
Yea, cats make pretty good raw food for dogs. Sometimes you have to skin them, or at least get it started so your dog doesn't get a hairball.

VatorMan 07-14-2011 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 481352)
Yea, cats make pretty good raw food for dogs. Sometimes you have to skin them, or at least get it started so your dog doesn't get a hairball.
This was mildly humorous.

HurricaneHeather 07-14-2011 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 481343)
Cats are easy... They are just like dogs, only for the most part they could give a fuck about you... and they don't need to be potty trained... and they aren't NEARLY as much of a pain in the ass...
My cats wanted nothing to do with the raw food. So they didn't eat. Cats who haven't eaten are 4 billion times more annoying than a dog who haven't eaten. :lol:

But, yeah normally cats aren't nearly as much work.

OneSickPsycho 07-14-2011 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 481420)
My cats wanted nothing to do with the raw food. So they didn't eat. Cats who haven't eaten are 4 billion times more annoying than a dog who haven't eaten. :lol:

But, yeah normally cats aren't nearly as much work.
Very true... Our cats take turns meowing at the door, in the bed, in your face in the mornings until someone gets up and feeds them.

Mr. Bear will undoubtedly be down with raw... he's been caught licking thawing chicken on a number of occassions... and he's stolen raw'ish food from the stove. Piper on the other hand... it could go either way.

OneSickPsycho 07-15-2011 08:14 AM
Success!!!
 
Last night after work, I went on the hunt for cheap chickens... The butcher down the road closes before I get off work and the dogs were pretty much out of food so I hit the supermarkets... Publix ended up being the cheapest... picked up 8 chickens @ $1.19/lb and two packages of chicken hearts @ $1.39/lb...

Went home, cut a chicken into 1/4, split it and the organs inside by hand into each one of the dog's dishes... Belle went to town immediately... licking licking licking... then finally grabbed a wing and started chowing down. She got it and was HOOKED within 30 seconds to a minute. Taco on the other hand wasn't so sure... he licked and when I fed him a heart, he was all about it, but the meat on the bone... not so much. He'd lick, watch Belle, look at us, lick, repeat. We started pulling some of the meat off the bone and feeding it to him by hand. He would eat small chunks, but anyting that required a lot of chewing, he wasn't into. By the end of it he was chomping down bones and all, but still in small peices.

About a half hour later Taco walked up to ONSSP salivating like a motherfucker... no drool, just pretty much water. We figured he was about to vomit, but he didn't. Another half hour or so later, he "exorcist vomitted" on the floor... I was droppin a hog so I didn't see it, but that's how ONSSP described it... All it was was water and a big chunk of chicken skin. Both dogs wanted to eat it immediately and aside from a bit more salivating later, he was fine.

This morning I took another 1/4 of the chicken out of the fridge and they were all about it again. Belle had no issues again, went right at it... Taco required more feeding by hand, but would eat considerably larger pieces... Both had no issues with the bones and again, were ALL ABOUT the hearts. When I took the dogs for a walk, Belle pooped about 1/4 the normal size and Taco shot straight liquid. His has been soft lately anyway, so I'm guessing he's working through something and the meat probably didn't help. We'll be keeping a close eye on that one.

All in all, it's been damn easy... not as easy as kibble... hacking chickens, cleaning the floor/bowls after each meal, etc... but no issues with them taking to it.

As for the cats... After feeding the dogs I had a bunch of chicken slime on my hands including very small bits of meat... I put my hand in their faces and both licked and ate some of the little pieces. We still have a bunch of cat food left so we aren't going to make the switch just yet, but I predict a pretty easy transition for them as well.

Adeptus_Minor 07-15-2011 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 481505)
Both had no issues with the bones and again, were ALL ABOUT the hearts. When I took the dogs for a walk, Belle pooped about 1/4 the normal size and Taco shot straight liquid. His has been soft lately anyway, so I'm guessing he's working through something and the meat probably didn't help. We'll be keeping a close eye on that one.
I don't know what it was about the organ meats, but they always gave Lilly the shits.
Too rich? Not enough density? Something...

HokieDNA01 07-19-2011 10:20 AM
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Hey everyone. Haven't been on here in months. Came back on last night and got sucked into this thread. I adopted a Boston Terrier named Mack a few months ago and he is awesome. He has a TERRIBLE digestive tract though and often as diarrehea and horrible gas. He also has skin allergies/dry skin the dont seem to bother him much but I think they look really bad. I have him on a "premium" kibble atm (Nature's Balance Duck/Potato) but would like to try him on the raw diet starting next week.

Here is the guidelines I plan to follow. I won't be doing pork as suggested

http://www.rawmeatybones.com/diet/exp-diet-guide.pdf

Few questions:

I have seen 2 ways of thinking on this, BARF which has some grains, veggies, egg etc and RMB diet which is all meat. I think I want to provide him some veggies and may try the "glop". Why do you put vinigar and mollassess in?

I am also seeing that you should fast your dog for a day before starting and also fast your dog once a week as they are not regular eaters in the wild. Does anyone else do this?

I think i will see a MAJOR cost savings over the food I am buying ($31/17lb) and hope he will really start to look and feel better. I have a spare freezer so that shouldnt be an issue either. I just hope I can find a local butcher.

Thanks for all the advice. I can't wait to get him started.

VatorMan 07-19-2011 10:26 AM
Vinegar because, well vinegar is good for you. Molasses for taste. We accidentally forgot molasses in one session and the dogs gave us a *sniff,sniff* WTF is this ? look. :lol

OneSickPsycho 07-19-2011 11:25 AM
update
 
Ok, so it's been a few days now... what an experience so far...

Both are eating like champions now... no more hand feeding, they just go at it. Belle has been pooping 1 time per day, about half the size of her normal poop, slimy, but solid... Taco on the other hand...

Saturday Taco continued to shit liquid... Then later on in the day, there was a little blood... about a half hour later, he shit straight blood. I had been reading and the big thing was if the blood was red (it was) - could be irritation (dog IBS), a bone fragment, or allergy. Not something to be immediately freaked out about. Given the amount of blood, I figured bone fragment... so I investigated and found a sharp little bone up in him... He still doesn't look at me the same, but the next poop was pretty much blood free and every one since has been without blood.

Sunday I got pretty excited because, while still shooting some liquid, Taco had a good amount of solid poo as well... I figured he's adjusting and it's getting better. Then ONSSP took him out yesterday morning and he shot straight liquid again... same thing for me last night.

I am REALLY hoping it's not an allergy thing... I cut out organ meat to see and am going to up the bone content a bit to see if I can balance it out. We'll give him a few more days and hopefully this shit will solidify.

Otherwise, both dogs are very happy and totally normal. Can't tell yet about weight loss/gain or anything, so I'm sticking with the portion sizes as-is for now.


......


Hokie - I don't plan on doing the glop thing... don't see it as necessary... I doubt that if all the humans died tomorrow our dogs would be eating from the garden and shit... pretty sure they'd be killing buffalos and cool shit like that.

Also, as far as fasting is concerned... not gonna happen with my dogs. Taco must eat twice a day at relatively consistent intervals or else he has a tendency to vomit. Probably has something to do with him tearing up his ropes and those strings upsetting his stomach...

Don't worry too much about finding a butcher... you'll get serious cost savings anyway... I bought chickens for $1.19/lb and Publix... Found them for $0.99/lb at Walmart and found them for $0.89/lb at BJ's. You can also find chicken scraps for cheaper than that... I think I saw necks and backs for $0.69/lb at Publix.

Gas Man 07-19-2011 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 482003)
Vinegar because, well vinegar is good for you. Molasses for taste. We accidentally forgot molasses in one session and the dogs gave us a *sniff,sniff* WTF is this ? look. :lol
Good point. I know brinks hates honey... I don't think maolasses will yield any difference.

On that PDF from hookie. It says garlic is toxic. That's a first I've heard of it.

OneSickPsycho 07-19-2011 04:23 PM
I don't think the dogs are getting enough bone... gonna cut some of the meat out and add more bone... We'll see if that stiffens up Taco's hershey squirts.

Particle Man 07-19-2011 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 482046)
I don't think the dogs are getting enough bone... gonna cut some of the meat out and add more bone... We'll see if that stiffens up Taco's hershey squirts.
Bet that stinks when you run Max A/C....

anthonyk 07-19-2011 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 482015)
Given the amount of blood, I figured bone fragment... so I investigated and found a sharp little bone up in him... He still doesn't look at me the same, but the next poop was pretty much blood free and every one since has been without blood.
:tremble::lol

Wow.

OneSickPsycho 07-19-2011 07:30 PM
Yeah ONSSP hates it... HATES it when I refer to "when I fingered Taco"... :lmao:

Particle Man 07-19-2011 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 482058)
Yeah ONSSP hates it... HATES it when I refer to "when I fingered Taco"... :lmao:
:lmao: :lmao: can't imagine why

Gas Man 07-19-2011 10:07 PM
I'm tellin ya OSP... you can get leg quarters for cheaper and I'm sure it's easier.

OneSickPsycho 07-20-2011 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 482076)
I'm tellin ya OSP... you can get leg quarters for cheaper and I'm sure it's easier.
It's not bad as is... takes about 5 minutes to dissect a chicken... I will probably not buy any more whole chickens once we are through our current supply, but rather just start buying backs and other parts. Gotta see if upping the bone content helps with Taco's squirts.

Last night I hacked a new chicken... Cut the breast meat out, the leg quarters and wings off, then fed the remaining carcass to Taco. Belle got a couple wings and some random trimmings. We ate the breasts for dinner and the leg quarters made up their meal this morning. Worked out pretty well.

HurricaneHeather 07-20-2011 10:32 PM
We mixed in a little bit of raw Tilapia with our cat's wet food tonight. Even the picky cat ate the fish out and left the cat food. Gonna try to slowly work them toward eating more raw and cheaper raw stuff. :lol: Figured we'd start with a sure bet. The fish was on sale, so it was worth a shot.

Hooray!

OneSickPsycho 07-21-2011 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 482251)
We mixed in a little bit of raw Tilapia with our cat's wet food tonight. Even the picky cat ate the fish out and left the cat food. Gonna try to slowly work them toward eating more raw and cheaper raw stuff. :lol: Figured we'd start with a sure bet. The fish was on sale, so it was worth a shot.

Hooray!
Canned tuna. That's been the old standby when we forget to buy cat food.

Be careful with fish though, too many metals in it plus some parasite concerns.

VatorMan 07-21-2011 08:51 AM
Vet report: Took Soffi and Fergi to the vet. As usual, they recommended teeth cleaning. Almost all of the plaque and etc..was left from the kibble. We are probably going to have it done as it is noticeable.
Both dogs got clean bill of health and she remarked how healthy they looked and acted. Only then did I tell her that we had changed them to a totally raw diet. Needless to say she stammered for a bit as her place sells high end pet food. :lol

Kaneman 07-21-2011 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 482281)
Only then did I tell her that we had changed them to a totally raw diet. Needless to say she stammered for a bit as her place sells high end pet food. :lol
This thread is so long now I can't remember if I posted this story or not, but when we went to adopt our third I wanted a Pit Bull, assuming it would be my last chance to have one. So we're going to different shelters and what not when we come upon a rescue called Lil' Angels or some ghey shit like that.

Find a dog we like, I go rollerblading with him to check him out a bit, everything looks really good so we start filling out paperwork.. One of the staff comments on how healthy our dogs looks (we brought them to check compatibility) and I tell them how we feed raw meat. Well they FREAKED OUT. "DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO KILL YOUR DOGS???" They actually went back and had a meeting amongst themselves to discuss it. In the end we walked away before they could decide, told them we didn't want the dog to associate us with negative energy. Anyway, I just dug up an old email between me and that agency....I just replied (2 years later) to let them know none of my dogs have ever been sick.

OneSickPsycho 07-21-2011 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 482286)
This thread is so long now I can't remember if I posted this story or not, but when we went to adopt our third I wanted a Pit Bull, assuming it would be my last chance to have one. So we're going to different shelters and what not when we come upon a rescue called Lil' Angels or some ghey shit like that.

Find a dog we like, I go rollerblading with him to check him out a bit, everything looks really good so we start filling out paperwork.. One of the staff comments on how healthy our dogs looks (we brought them to check compatibility) and I tell them how we feed raw meat. Well they FREAKED OUT. "DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO KILL YOUR DOGS???" They actually went back and had a meeting amongst themselves to discuss it. In the end we walked away before they could decide, told them we didn't want the dog to associate us with negative energy. Anyway, I just dug up an old email between me and that agency....I just replied (2 years later) to let them know none of my dogs have ever been sick.

Kaneman 07-21-2011 09:20 AM
:lol: I hate you.

Gas Man 07-21-2011 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 482281)
Vet report: Took Soffi and Fergi to the vet. As usual, they recommended teeth cleaning. Almost all of the plaque and etc..was left from the kibble. We are probably going to have it done as it is noticeable.
Both dogs got clean bill of health and she remarked how healthy they looked and acted. Only then did I tell her that we had changed them to a totally raw diet. Needless to say she stammered for a bit as her place sells high end pet food. :lol
Can't you get rid of it with the boney diet?

Trip 07-21-2011 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 482286)
and I tell them how we feed raw meat. Well they FREAKED OUT. "DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO KILL YOUR DOGS???" They actually went back and had a meeting amongst themselves to discuss it. In the end we walked away before they could decide, told them we didn't want the dog to associate us with negative energy. Anyway, I just dug up an old email between me and that agency....I just replied (2 years later) to let them know none of my dogs have ever been sick.
LOL, I would be more worried about the dog amazingly flinging raw chicken somewhere you didn't see and you accidentally getting salmonella from the amazing flying chicken than the dog ever getting sick from it.

Apparently they never had a dog tear apart some unsuspecting forest critter...

VatorMan 07-22-2011 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 482425)
Can't you get rid of it with the boney diet?
They've been on the raw diet for several months. Doubtful the built up tartar can be removed without assistance.

OneSickPsycho 07-22-2011 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip (Post 482433)
LOL, I would be more worried about the dog amazingly flinging raw chicken somewhere you didn't see and you accidentally getting salmonella from the amazing flying chicken than the dog ever getting sick from it.

Apparently they never had a dog tear apart some unsuspecting forest critter...
They don't sling anything anywhere... Most of the time Belle doesn't even take the pieces out of her bowl... Taco likes to pull it out and drop it on the floor and then eat it from there...

Update time...

Taco is pooping normal now... both may actually be pooping a little dry so I think they are getting a bit too much bone... Still working on the balance.

As it goes now, I'm hacking a whole chicken every day... I cut off the breast meat and we eat that... Taco and Belle each get a leg in the morning and Taco gets an additional wing. Belle gets a wing and the neck at night, Taco gets the remainder of the carcass... both split the organs.

Probably giving them a bit too much, but both were big eaters before the switch and I have consistently felt as if they weren't getting enough to eat... Taco was on 6 cups of food/day, Belle on 4... both always had just the right amount of rib showing.

I'll probably start adding some of the breast meat to the mix in a few days now that everything has become more solid upon exit...

Gas Man 07-22-2011 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 482465)
They've been on the raw diet for several months. Doubtful the built up tartar can be removed without assistance.
Sucks... that can get costly to take care of.

HurricaneHeather 07-24-2011 10:18 PM
Our cats are actually moving along famously with fish and some chicken livers. Next step is to give them bigger pieces so they start learning to gnaw. After that....bones. Not looking forward to that. That's going to be a long stage.

OneSickPsycho 07-26-2011 09:50 AM
Still going strong over here... Poops have been consistent...

Pretty amazed so far... Dogs barely poop and hardly drink any water... It's really crazy just how good you can tell this is for them. Can't wait to get the cats on it... no more stinky litterboxes...

azoomm 07-26-2011 06:10 PM
People think I'm crazy when I tell them how awesome it is. So much so, that I don't tell them anymore. It's like they think I'm making it all up just to get them to switch over.

meh...

Kaneman 07-26-2011 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 483157)
People think I'm crazy when I tell them how awesome it is. So much so, that I don't tell them anymore. It's like they think I'm making it all up just to get them to switch over.

meh...
I still tell them, but more in the same way that I tell fat people they should stop being so fat all the time. When people stop listening it can be fun to be condescending...

BTW, I had to take mine off raw for a few days. Went and bought some high quality kibble (bleh) and they got to munch on that for 3 days while I went out of town. They seemed to handle it pretty well.

azoomm 07-26-2011 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 483166)
I still tell them, but more in the same way that I tell fat people they should stop being so fat all the time. When people stop listening it can be fun to be condescending...

BTW, I had to take mine off raw for a few days. Went and bought some high quality kibble (bleh) and they got to munch on that for 3 days while I went out of town. They seemed to handle it pretty well.
WHYYYYY???!!?! Someone wouldn't feed them their normal diet?

OneSickPsycho 07-26-2011 06:56 PM
Yep, we left our roommate for three days over the weekend with separate ziploc bags including sharpie instructions on each bag... Werked out great.

Gas Man 07-26-2011 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 483090)
Still going strong over here... Poops have been consistent...

Pretty amazed so far... Dogs barely poop and hardly drink any water... It's really crazy just how good you can tell this is for them. Can't wait to get the cats on it... no more stinky litterboxes...
I noticed same results.

Kaneman 07-26-2011 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 483169)
WHYYYYY???!!?! Someone wouldn't feed them their normal diet?
Nope, it was hard enough finding people to check in on them...but nobody was willing to handle the raw meat. What can I say? I have shitty family...

Particle Man 07-29-2011 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 483197)
Nope, it was hard enough finding people to check in on them...but nobody was willing to handle the raw meat. What can I say? I have shitty family...
Wimps :lol:


They have soap and water in your part of the country, right? :lol:

Kaneman 07-29-2011 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Particle Man (Post 483431)
Wimps :lol:


They have soap and water in your part of the country, right? :lol:
Yea, it kind of pissed me off. My Dad was the one doing it and to be honest I think he's mad that his dogs are crippled and mine are super healthy so he refuses to do the raw thing for me. Oh well.

OneSickPsycho 08-17-2011 09:00 AM
So now for two days in a row, fed Taco a whole chicken back and several hours later he vomits. I think it's too much bone at one time.

All in all, it's going well. Cats ran out of food last night and are now on it...

Split a chicken wing between the two of them. Both were tenative - had to hand feed them small chunks. Both seemed to think it was too good to be true... like, 'will I get in trouble if I eat this?' Finally they both went at it pretty good... Mr Bear was crunching bones, but Piper was eating around them. We locked them in our bathroom for several hours - tile floors just in case they puked... no puke, all is well.

This morning I tried to split a chicken neck between the two... they weren't that into it... I think it was too boney. They ate a little and stopped. I went back to another chicken wing and ripped it up for them. Same as last night... Piper did eat a bit of bone this morning and Mr Bear was all over it again.

The only thing that sucks is that it's hard to separate the dogs from the cats. I used to feed the dogs outside while the cats were eating inside. The cats eat super slow now, so the dogs are outside barking at joggers and shit while I'm inside trying to feed the cats. Annoying, but we'll figure it out.

HurricaneHeather 08-17-2011 01:32 PM
My cats eat super slow too. I actually switched to feeding them twice a day. They weren't finishing their food at night but they were both gettting way too skinny. So to save us from wasting food and them not getting enough, I am giving them 60% at night and 40% in the morning. It seemed to work great, but I will see tonight when I get home how much they eat of their dinner. Hopefully they finish it off.

OSP, you need to remember that cats can't be fasted like dogs can. They have to eat every 24 hours. Their livers can't handle not being fed the way a dog or human can. :)

OneSickPsycho 08-17-2011 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 486021)
My cats eat super slow too. I actually switched to feeding them twice a day. They weren't finishing their food at night but they were both gettting way too skinny. So to save us from wasting food and them not getting enough, I am giving them 60% at night and 40% in the morning. It seemed to work great, but I will see tonight when I get home how much they eat of their dinner. Hopefully they finish it off.

OSP, you need to remember that cats can't be fasted like dogs can. They have to eat every 24 hours. Their livers can't handle not being fed the way a dog or human can. :)
All of our animals will be fed 2x per day... the dogs because Taco gets a sour stomach and tends to vomit if he doesn't eat every 10-12 hours and the cats because they are FUCKING annoying as hell when hungry.

HurricaneHeather 08-17-2011 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho (Post 486033)
All of our animals will be fed 2x per day... the dogs because Taco gets a sour stomach and tends to vomit if he doesn't eat every 10-12 hours and the cats because they are FUCKING annoying as hell when hungry.
Right on. I didn't know that when I first started doing this. thought they were just like dogs.

VatorMan 08-17-2011 06:07 PM
Just a note-Lost my oldest Schnauzer Saturday. She had a Grand Mal Seizure.

RIP Nikki.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21...ar4sale022.jpg

Nothing really to do with Raw Diet, but I do believe she got another 6 months because of it.

azoomm 08-17-2011 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 486092)
Just a note-Lost my oldest Schnauzer Saturday. She had a Grand Mal Seizure.

RIP Nikki.

Nothing really to do with Raw Diet, but I do believe she got another 6 months because of it.
Awwwwwwwww :( RIP Nikki...

Gas Man 08-17-2011 07:30 PM
Sounds ruff OSP.


Sorry to hear Vator.

Gas Man 08-24-2011 06:37 PM
We are still having a ruff go with this. Brinks has always been a picky eater. He never seems to like the same diet for much longer than a few months.

We are at that point with this I believe. The only difference with kibble is that you can just leave it out. The chicken, now is a different story.

We have continued to seer it in a pan.
About a month ago he quit liking garlic. salt and loved it plain.

Now he's back to barely eating. It's very very frustrating!! Why can't he just eat like a normal dog?!?!

OneSickPsycho 08-24-2011 07:37 PM
Maybe try the prey model? Whole chickens, feathers and all... Does Brinks chase shit? Are his hunting instincts in tact?

Gas Man 08-24-2011 09:19 PM
He chases other dogs and people. I don't know if his hunting instincts are in tact... you can't exactly let your 140-150lb dog hunt shit!

Plus I'm not dealing with that, thanks anyway. I need other suggestions...

azoomm 08-25-2011 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 486981)
He chases other dogs and people. I don't know if his hunting instincts are in tact... you can't exactly let your 140-150lb dog hunt shit!

Plus I'm not dealing with that, thanks anyway. I need other suggestions...
Sorry, I won't be much help. My first thought was to have him get rid of those pesky neighborhood kids :lol:

Gas Man 08-25-2011 08:14 AM
Nah... those are my neighborhood kids. As in my alternative to my own.

OneSickPsycho 08-25-2011 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 486981)
He chases other dogs and people. I don't know if his hunting instincts are in tact... you can't exactly let your 140-150lb dog hunt shit!

Plus I'm not dealing with that, thanks anyway. I need other suggestions...
Chasing dogs and people may be more of a play thing... hunting instincts are more obvious with smaller things... Does he chase squirrels or bark at them when they are up a tree? Does he chase balls and avidly watch or try to catch birds?

Gas Man 08-25-2011 08:37 PM
I don't have any trees or squirrels. And he doesn't care about birds.

Now tonight he ate his chicken fine, no seasoning.

defector 08-25-2011 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 487157)
I don't have any trees or squirrels. And he doesn't care about birds.

Now tonight he ate his chicken fine, no seasoning.
Sounds like he hardened the fuck up finally. Now he's a real man (dog).

Gas Man 08-25-2011 09:43 PM
No I think he was just extra hungry from barely eating for 2 days.

azoomm 08-25-2011 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 487177)
No I think he was just extra hungry from barely eating for 2 days.
He will get it. Don't give up on it...

Gas Man 08-25-2011 10:11 PM
He does it, then gets bored. It's that simple I think.

I swear he's the most spoiled dog I know. We revolve nearly everything around him, and he wants for nearly nothing. Could we walk him more? Sure but you try with my work sked. Could he get more dog parks (not that we have any) or whatever? Sure but he's not the best with general public. He's awesome at our house once he "knows you", he's the biggest snuggler. But this whole feeding him is just another irritation we endure with him.

Gas Man 09-04-2011 09:46 PM
Well if the on/off paticipation wasn't bad enough. His chin achne is still being problematic. Wife has been doing some online research and some say the high protien chicken diet may still cause problems.

We are low on chicken so she wants to try a grain free, venison & potatoe kibble. I just want his problems to be over. The zits, were the real reason why we started this, it hasn't fixed the problem. RESET.

VatorMan 09-05-2011 05:48 PM
My Schnoodle has started her "sniff and wait" again. She'll eat the organs but wait till the other dog starts sniffing around the bowl before she'll eat the meat. It's about 30 % she'll eat the glop.

Kaneman 09-09-2011 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 488366)
The zits, were the real reason why we started this, it hasn't fixed the problem. RESET.
Its takes a while for any food allergy/diet related issues to begin to correct themselves.

azoomm 09-09-2011 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 489012)
Its takes a while for any food allergy/diet related issues to begin to correct themselves.
And I thought I was impatient...

Kaneman 09-09-2011 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 489058)
And I thought I was impatient...
I know right. "Well, I tried it for 2 hours and it just didn't cure her stage 4 bone cancer, oh well."

HurricaneHeather 09-09-2011 11:54 AM
My cats have already gotten complacent with this diet. I think we spend more money on their food than we do ours, so when they look at it then turn away I want to throw things. :lol: Picky little shits.

azoomm 09-09-2011 04:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 489081)
My cats have already gotten complacent with this diet. I think we spend more money on their food than we do ours, so when they look at it then turn away I want to throw things. :lol: Picky little shits.
You did know they are cats, right?

:lol:

HurricaneHeather 09-09-2011 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 489166)
You did know they are cats, right?

:lol:
Is that why their claws are so sharp? :lol:

Gas Man 09-09-2011 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 489012)
Its takes a while for any food allergy/diet related issues to begin to correct themselves.
Quote:
Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 489058)
And I thought I was impatient...
Yeah but when you are dealing with it, it's completely different. It usually takes 2-3 months to show improvement. We hadn't had ANY improvement, it's been long enough, we should have seen something.

azoomm 09-09-2011 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas Man (Post 489198)
Yeah but when you are dealing with it, it's completely different. It usually takes 2-3 months to show improvement. We hadn't had ANY improvement, it's been long enough, we should have seen something.
Aren't you cooking it?

Gas Man 09-10-2011 05:42 AM
Not really, I don't think you would say 1 mintue in a pan is cooking. More like a light seer to the skin.

Adeptus_Minor 09-10-2011 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HurricaneHeather (Post 489173)
Is that why their claws are so sharp? :lol:
Ok, that made me chuckle. :lol:


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