Originally Posted by zed (Post 173934)

you're one of the few.

one sales guy wanted the dealership to find someone that would loan to higher risk people. WTF? lets sell something to someone that can't afford it. wait, that's what they did in the real estate industry. worked for them.

I've seen them upsell to a complete idiot and see the bike come back wadded up. but I've also seen a 250 come back in the same condition lol some people just shouldn't ride.

for the most part I absolutely hate salespeople. I don't even trust that the name they gave me is the right one.

Originally Posted by deals gap dragon slayer (Post 173924)

but what about the overall image of the sportbike community. .

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 173932)

I don't think dealers should sell newbs those bikes either, but they do...and often. If a kid walks in and wants a ninja 250 most dealers will try to sell him the zx14. Why? Because it's more money, more commission, more cash in his pocket.

But if a newb is dumb enough to buy it then fuck 'em.

Originally Posted by deals gap dragon slayer (Post 173924)

there's no law about it... but what about the overall image of the sportbike community. if it starts off with the dealerships promoting irresponsible behavior and riding habits, what chance to safe responsible riders have in a society that already has us labeled as delinquents.

So you approve of a dealer selling a Busa or a liter sport bike to a first time rider who may or may not have his MC license? there's not a law against it... but common sense would urge against it.

I mean I'm sorry... but my insurance rates are high enough for the simple fact that I'm part of a so called statistic because of dipshits who probably should never be on bikes to begin with. But since no one is holding any sort of responsibility things just continue to fall in a downward spiral...

Do I think an MC license should be required to buy a bike... YES

Do I think dealerships who sell to unlicensed riders should be fined, etc...YES

Do I think that the US should use a tiered licensing system similar if not identical to many European countries... YES...


Is that being a Nazi? NO...

Its trying to create better, safer, more responsible riders.

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 173952)

Dragging knee through the dragon is HORRIBLE for our image.


I personally don't give two shits if you do it. Why would you care if I don't wear gear?

What it boils down to is YOU pushing your beliefs on somebody else. I don't agree with it. And you'll never change my mind. I always believe in choice.

Your image is unimportant to me. I don't care if my actions effect you anymore than your actions effect me.

And don't even pretend that everytime you're doing three times the speed limit nobody is around to see it and you're the only one you can hurt...

Quit being a hypocrite Actually, don't quit being a hypocrite. Just stop trying to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.. It's ultimately none of your business.

Originally Posted by deals gap dragon slayer (Post 173954)

so why not encourage the dealers to try to have some sort of mentoring role towards new riders. A newb is a newb... hence the term... newb... they'll believe whatever the dealer tells them because they're the so called authority. if the dealer is feading the newbs bad info. it isn't the newbs fault..

Like Eric said... newbs don't know any better... atleast he's doing the right thing and trying to talk some sense into them

Originally Posted by deals gap dragon slayer (Post 173954)

so why not encourage the dealers to try to have some sort of mentoring role towards new riders. A newb is a newb... hence the term... newb... they'll believe whatever the dealer tells them because they're the so called authority. if the dealer is feading the newbs bad info. it isn't the newbs fault..

Like Eric said... newbs don't know any better... atleast he's doing the right thing and trying to talk some sense into them

Originally Posted by deals gap dragon slayer (Post 173960)

I don't see how I'm a hypocrite here... if I was wearing a tshirt and shorts and sandals on a bike and saying people should wear gear.. then yes...

but not in this case. ultimately yeah, its each riders choice whether or not they want excessive road rash. and ya know what.. fine.. more power to them. I'm just saying from the stand point of a new rider, the images portrayed on that dealers website say that gear just isn't needed.. and the attitude of the owner says the same thing.

i just don't understand why anyone would support such ignorance