Congresswoman shot in Arizona
 

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, Arizona Public Media reported Saturday.

The Democrat, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

At least nine other people, including members of her staff, were hurt. Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Her condition was not immediately known.

Giffords was talking to a couple when the suspect ran up firing indiscriminately and then ran off, Michaels said.

The suspect was tackled by a bystander and taken into custody. He was not injured.

Giffords was first elected to represent Arizona's 8th District in 2006. The "Congress on Your Corner" events allow constituents to present their concerns directly to her.

More details to come.

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764...medium=twitter

Just saw this as well. I'm curious to see what the shooter's issue was. No matter what it turns out to be the shooter should still fry.

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764...hot-in-arizona

NPR now saying 7 are dead and that the shooter is a "late teen" or in early 20's...

...and the message boards are already blaming Sarah Palin and Sharon Angle

I would have been surprised if they didn't, though that kind of speculation has been less than reliable in the past.

Apparently Glenn Beck too...

it sickens me that this gal aint even cold yet before folks started trying to pull political value out of it. you should hear this douchbag david fitzsimmons comments on cnn.

someone may be taking something too seriously.

http://www.takebackthe20.com/
http://www.takebackthe20.com/candidates

Hey ya'll should all stop hatin...unless you hate Republicans that is.

I haven't heard the story yet, and I haven't clicked on any links yet, BUT:

If another politico indeed called for this woman's death, I wouldn't characterize this as "people trying to put political value on it". It's already there.

If Palin did call for this woman's death, even if essentially only by suggestive graphic and the veiled suggestion of "you know what to do", then she should be clearly charged for complicity in any murders committed as a result of what could only be characterized as a rather blatant public incitement and inducement of murder.

I believe in free speech, but you can't yell fire in a theatre. Speech designed to cause death and harm to others is not protected. That's actually technically conspiracy/complicity to murder.

If this woman dies, Palin should be charged, if she indeed made these overt murder suggestions in a public forum.

I think it's fair to say that given her rather high public profile, she should be well aware that this type of incitement would likely lead to violence.

She wanted her voted out of office. Not Killed. But go ahead with the casting blame dumbass...

Maybe you need to brush up on law, "dumbass".

Go use the word "bomb" in airport, asshole. See how far you get. Be sure to tell them you're only joking.

...But I'm the dumbass?

:lmao:

Douche.

If the reason is political and related to some website or message put out by Palin, its not because of Palin that this women is dead.
It would be because of the type of idiot people like Palin attract as followers.

However thats just speculation

You're right. Arrest that man!!!

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...e-bring-a-gun/

Dumberasseser

You don't yell fire in a theatre.

You don't say "bomb" at the airport.

If you're a politician, you don't even say the word assassination, let alone make jokes, or veiled suggestions about the assassinations of politicians.

It's EXACTLY the same thing, and it is NOT protected speech.

i was referring to the idiot political cartoonist they were interviewing on cnn who immediately blamed the right, america's "gun fetish", and said this was an inevitable event. try not to let your personal prejudices lead you into dumb statements

Due to the low levels of carotene in desert climates, many Arizona democrats are mistaken for grizzly bears.

Palin + poor dietary habits = Murder.

JC

Wow, you're fucking stretching, huh?

I suppose if someone got hurt in a melee that might have ensued, a case could be made that he was partially at fault...although you're reaching like a motherfucker here, and it would be laughed at in court.

This scenario, not so laughable.

Again, I have no knowledge of this other than what appears here.

I do know that if what was said here about what was supposedly posted on Palin's site is true, then that's incitement to murder, and not protected speech.

Maybe the shooter was motivated by Palin/Angle/Beck or maybe he wasn't. At this point guessing about the shooter's motives is nothing more than that, a guess. Don't forget when the Democratic Party headquarters in Colorado was vandalized. Democrats and the media immediately blamed Republicans who opposed healthcare reform for the act. As it turned out it had been carried out by a former Democratic canvasser apparently trying to make it look like a Republican. I am in no way saying that is what happened here, but trying to logically figure out the motivation for what is ultimately an illogical act can lead to the wrong conclusions.

The shooter is alive. I'm sure we will hear soon enough what motivated him.

Still pretty laughable.:shrug:

Hmmm. One was a sports joke, no one got hurt.

This is a situation where people died.

Yeah, I suppose it's hilarious.

At least we're still better than Pakistan...

JC

Yeah, but the distinction is kinda fading, no?

Jared Lee LOUGHNER

"young, mid-to-late 20s (23), white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing."

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Here is his youtube page

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

very republican sounding kid there :rolleyes:

Yeah, I'm sure he was a shy, quiet kid, who kept mostly to himself...

Leftist the first to post a fake facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001935064664

lmao

Needs "likes" for Sharron Angle.

Your legal scenario is what I was referring to as laughable.:shrug:

Yeah, funny guy, he shot a 9 year old, dead. It's hilarious, legally and otherwise.

Oh wait, no it isn't.

Is that the legal scenario you posted? Sure doesn't sound like it.:shrug:

Holy fuck (about the original post and the turn it's taken)

He used a fucking auto, or semi-auto too, right? That will no doubt be used by rabid anti-gun fanatics to further that agenda. Fucking great.

Believe it was a semi-automatic handgun....no different than a revolver really.

Anyone have a decent reference for what palin and angle did? I see the comments, but would rather see an accurate representation, because I am unaware of this story.

Was it just a map targeting elections they wanted or was there more?

Terrible about the original story. Hope it wasn't something as stupid as politics that caused this kid to do this.

The gun that was shown on his facebook page was a semi-auto pistol.

JC

Watch the buzzword "semi-automatic" be in nearly every headline starting in 3; 2; 1

No kids were killed, it won't happen this time.

His youtube stuff seemed tea partyish to me.

"I hate my Community College teachers because they're illiterate and unconstitutional" and "I'm starting my own currency".

Sounds like the bats that flew out of Glen Becks mouth, found a belfry.

JC

A nine year old was killed, start hoarding bullets.

JC

Man I missed that part. Shit.

Palin had a map with important House seats marked on it using bullseyes. I believe Giffords' seat was one marked on the map.

Sharon Angle said the following on the radio "Our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason, and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government." and also "In fact, Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."

"I went to MEPS and was given a bible even though I told my recruiter I'm an atheist and he put NONE for my religion" sounds kind of leftist though. Either way the brainwashing and mind control aren't integral to either party's platform that I've seen. With the little out so far I'd guess his political affiliation is the insanity party.

Yeah the guy is just a nutjob.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...sarahpac_0.jpg


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_511433.html

Naaah she most likely just the Anti-Christ and she will rise to world domination after this.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...02e0.image.jpg
There he is

Then again...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535927,00.html

JC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VIy44tDH8

She was anti-immigration. These people don't seem too happy about that.

That's the map, sorry I see no issue with that. There needs to be more to it than that for me to be upset about it. I don't believe in safety nazi sanitizing the world for nutjobs. Nutjobs will go nuts no matter what we do. He would of found another group to make him feel "a part of something" and went nutz on the con side of that.

Do you see the difference between what I said and discussing a bill that never made it out of committee?

But didn't you hear, that map is as good as Palin pulling the trigger herself.:skep:

lol...a Arizona Congressman on CNN just said there is blood on Sarah Palin's hands. Lefty's are manning the political battle-stations.

She was anti unprotected borders.

Not the same thing.

JC

Sounds sane

Well of course not

What I know so far is this:

A. The guy is some form of crazy.

B. He shot a bunch of Democrats, for as yet unknown reasons.

You think he just happened to be driving by the Safeway, and decided to shoot up the parking lot on a bipartisan basis?

I don't think so. The boy had an agenda of some sort.

JC

Aaand with any luck rational people will see this a know how pathetically little they value their own colleague's life and which group of folks has really been breeding hate here. Aw hell who am I kidding? This is the land of the retards.

Did she have no security detail present? All reports say she was shot from "point blank range" and if true the lack/utter failure of security ought to negate the fact that a gun was used

From what I read of him his agenda seems to be against what was convieniantly available

No, you're right. Nuts will be nuts.

But Politicians should never say anything, or even suggest anything in regards to killing, or assassination, in regards to themselves or others in public. It's just not done. Just like saying "bomb" at the airport. You just don't do that, and adults generally know better.

She has always used incendiary militant language, and that kind of thing feeds freaks. She should know better, but she's profoundly fucking stupid, that bitch.

Read this link...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...-blogging.html


A former friend of Loughner's has a Twitter feed.

"Various Palin sites are frantically removing various incendiary materials - which is both gratifying, but also, it seems to me, an acknowledgment of previous rhetorical excess. TakeBackThe20.com is in meltdown, images like these are being removed ASAP, and Palin's Facebook page simply cannot cope with the number of commenters blasting her."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...47e162ddb4970b

Wasn't this already posted? It's from june and many people are taking it way out of context.

Well, Palin's political career is dead.

Hopefully

Again, I haven't read too much here. I was quoting what I found relevant from the article you just posted above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNx0WThoF0

This doesn't sound right-wing to me

Politicians have the same right as us and what her staff did with that map is hardly anything to blame an actual attack on her for. This is the pussification of America and you are being the prime example of it. They shouldn't be held accountable for nutjobs. Her little map with target points doesn't mean go kill people and any sane person understands this. Just as selling Grand Theft Auto to kids doesn't mean they should go murder hookers after having sex with them and running people over with cars just for the fun of it. OMG they made battleground references, this is just terrible. People are going to start a war because Ohio is a battleground state.

Well yeah, a nutjob went fucking nuts. They are being respectful of the deaths. Me and a friend made a joke website before 9/11 making fun of islamic terrorists. It was about Civil Unrest National Terrorists and the leader was Saddam Eyesmee. I didn't support the nutjobs that did 9/11, but I took down that website in respect to the people that died.

We can only hope. No way she would of won president anyway. I don't think she would of even got the repub nomination.

Yeah, but at least the stupid bitch will disappear now
 

I'd bet TLC is cancelling her show as we speak.

They're probably mad that they can't use "high powered rifle" so "semi-automatic" will have to do.

The media LOVES that one more then semi-auto.

I agree that he had a reason of some sort that made sense to him. That doesn't mean it was political and I'm guessing it isn't going to be anything resembling rational either. If you read back on my posts I haven't made any claim or suggestion about what those reasons may be.

Could he be a right wing tea partying lunatic who did this out of a wildly misguided sense of patriotism? Sure. Could he have done this because the government is responsible for making his bananas too yellow? Sure. At this point it is pure speculation. The guy is alive and his reasons will most likely come out. One thing I will claim is that when they do they still won't make any sense because this is ultimately a senseless act.

Back to what we were discussing. I was asking if you saw the difference between this guy thinking the government was brainwashing people and controlling their minds and what you posted, discussion of potential ramifications of a bill that never made it out of committee.

I didn't read any of the stories but CNN, MSN, and a few other websites have had headlines for the last couple days indicating the show wasn't coming back next year.:shrug:

Palin's show was cancelled, or at least not renewed for season 2. The explination given has nothing to do with the shooting

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b219...own_after.html

I get the feeling they love "semi-automatic" more since it allows them to occasionally forget the "semi" and label it an "automatic handgun".

Well, I'd say her political career is now also officially canceled then.

Did you actually believe she had a shot? I know she was delusional enough to think that, but did you honestly believe she had a shot before this?

I don't know if she really had a shot [insert tasteless joke here], but I'm about as sick of that cunt as I am sick of the fucking Kardashians, and Justin Beiber.

I doubt this will have much of an effect on Palin's political career unless the shooter gives "I did it for Sarah!" as his reason. I also didn't think she had a shot at winning the Republican nomination before this either though.

Honestly I think for the Democrats, they should want her in the election. The republicans are just as tired of that bitch and the right leaning moderates won't vote for that bitch. They would go Obama in a big way. He would coast to victory easily against Palin.

I would vote Obama over Palin.

I hear ya, and if I was really partisan, I'd probably be pulling for her, for just that reason. I'd rather see someone with a real chance run, but who is even remotely legit on the other team?

From what I understand most members of the House don't travel home with security unless their is a credible threat against them. The Capitol Police, who provide security for them, said they were aware of no threats against Giffords otherwise they would have sent security with her.

Honestly, there is no one I would vote for, I am tired of everyone that has the slightest shot.

Uh oh, Avy. The media is going to run with this one too.

Had to throw the pot-smoking in there, sure that's going to take a beating in the media too.

So basically pot smoking and guns are going to be attacked for the next few months.

Pretty much.

I see it.

But then, I'm not (that) crazy.

It all boils down to tone and inflection. I saw nothing in the bill that amounted to what I would consider active mind control. If, however, you are pre-disposed to being the poster boy for the "Homicidal White Loner Asshole Society", the shineola Beck's spitting out, could easily be construed as an affirmation of your paranoid delusions.

Beck is a fear monger. "The country is being destroyed, everyone is a Socialist, the Illuminati are coming, and we're all going to hell. Here, buy some Gold."

The man is a televised catalyst of evil.

JC

The more I hear about this, the more I see this spawning another patriot act. I hope we don't lose more freedoms cause of this dumbass.

Of course we will. Shit like this causes fear. Fear is used as a tool by those who wish to control us, and they won't miss the opportunity to parlay this into some fucked up new legislation that makes us somehow less free.

This is pretty much a given, I'm afraid...

For the people foaming at the mouth over Palin's use of targets, please make sure you give equal foamage towards the Dems too... The Democratic Leadership Council did the same shit back in 2004.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?conte...=127&subid=171

http://www.dlc.org/upload_graphics/B...heartland1.gif

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has done it too, over a year ago...

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010...target-map.jpg

"Targeted Republicans"

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010...republican.jpg

It's funny and pathetic how many people are laying so much blame on both groups and individuals because of a SINGLE NUTJOB. This isn't about left or right, guns, or Sarah Palin, it's about some fucktard who went off the deep end. Get a grip people.

Target =/= Gunsight.

You throw darts at a bulls-eye.

A scope is found on a gun.

They do make the same theme of using combative/war like language. I mean "Behind Enemy Lines." They were clearly making it seem like they were trying to get the exact same point across.

I have shot bullets and arrows at a bullseye. I have never thrown "darts." The bullseye looks nothing like a true dartboard. You are really reaching to try to pawn this one off instead of just admitting the obvious. Palin is not guilty of forcing anyone sane to pursue this method.

http://nancysneedlecrafts.com/sports...rt%20Board.jpg

=/=

http://yesyesss.files.wordpress.com/.../dartboard.gif

Yep, you're right; the Democratic one looks like an archery target.

Palin's is unmistakably a gun scope.

I imagine that if the Democrats used inflammatory language also (like "RELOAD!"), they might have incited someone to nefarious "archery".

Or not.

The first one looks a lot like this too.

I have shot numerous times at a similar target at my local gun range with similar colors.

http://image.shutterstock.com/displa...e-22884709.jpg

Are you familiar with the term disambiguation?

Palin's targets are not in any way ambiguous. The others are, you proved it here.

Just saying.

Just saying you are trying in every way possible to deflect any criticism of democrats. Why? You are supposedly Libertarian. Why do you try everything you can to make things acceptable for them and not for republicans? Sorry when I see a bullseye and see the word target, I take it as that's something you are going to aim to destroy, that same as I would a gun sight target.

If you are for neither party, just say, yep they pulled the same shit and move on with your day. Why is it so important to defend them?

I see no issue with either party using it, BTW. Just like Kellen Winslow saying he was a "fuckin soldier" after getting beat by UT in a football game. Did he mean he was a fuckin soldier killing enemy soldiers? fuck no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I82BPA5QAaQ

I think palin is a complete moron, but I also to think you're a moron if you think palin influenced this in anyway.

This guy was just insane.

Freakshow was a leftist:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334...me_and_courts/

See bottom of article.

Wasn't drawing conclusions, just stating facts. I'm reading this shit as it comes in, same as all of you.

So basically all of this thread is moot now. I wonder how the major networks are going to respond to this now that they know this had nothing to do with Palin's stupid map.

Shit happens, that's why I don't care about either party's target maps. They can't be held responsible for insane individuals. A sane person knows those maps don't actually mean target to kill.