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Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 06:58 AM

"I told you, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune."
 
WTF man?! I hope they find these guys and toss them in the can, right quick. A bunch of pansy "anarchists" would last about 10 seconds in Kingston Pen, before their asses would be traded for a Mars Bar.

Anarchists claim they firebombed bank
By Kenneth Jackson, Ottawa Sun
Last Updated: May 18, 2010 9:54pm

A group of anarchists has claimed responsibility for firebombing a Royal Bank of Canada branch in the Glebe early Tuesday, going as far as posting a video of it online.

The seven-second video begins with two people inside the foyer of the RBC at Bank St. and First Ave. at about 3:30 a.m.

Seconds later a man is seen exiting through the side door as an orange fireball erupts throughout the front of the building, shattering windows and landing on the sidewalk.

Another man then pops out seconds after that. The video was shot diagonally across the intersection by a third person. It was posted on popular activist website ottawa.indymedia.org at about noon.

The video is known to Ottawa police arson investigators and accompanies a message from the anarchists complaining RBC “was a major sponsor of the recently concluded 2010 Olympics on stolen indigenous land.”

“The Vancouver Olympic games are over, but a torch is still burning,” a rolling text reads after the video abruptly ends.

It continues to say the land was never legally “ceded” to colonial British Columbia.

“This hasn’t stopped the government from assuming full ownership of the land and its resources for the benefit of its corporate masters and to the detriment of aboriginal peoples, workers and the poor of the province,” it said.

Several men were seen driving away from the scene just before the flames erupted.

Fire crews were called to the bank at about 3:28 a.m. after several passersby spotted the flames.

The getaway car is described only as being an SUV, and no other descriptions were made available.

Damages are estimated at about $300,000 and the entire front of the bank was destroyed. The fire started in the ATM area and the rest of the 1 1/2 storey building suffered smoke and heat damage. Fire crews had the blaze under control in less than 30 minutes and saved it from spreading to other buildings.

The video is now evidence for police.

“It’s information that needs to be followed up like other information,” said Sgt. David Christie of the Ottawa police arson squad.

Christie was busy working the investigation all day and was about to sit down and go through more calls and messages at about 6 p.m.

One police officer described the web posting as a case of “catch me if you can,” while another said it’s crazy and “that’s the way it is with those guys,” referring to the anarchists.

In their message, the anarchists said RBC is a major financier of Alberta’s tar sands while advertising they are one of the greenest companies in Canada.

“The tar sands, now the cause of the second fastest rate of deforestation on the planet, are slated to expand several times its current size. The games in Vancouver are now over, but resistance continues. An RBC branch can be found in every corner of Kanada (sic),” they said, implying more attacks could occur.

It’s not the first time RBC branches have been targeted in Ottawa. In early 2008 bricks were thrown through the windows of the Glebe branch and another branch on Elgin St.

Anarchists took credit for those incidents, also saying they were done in opposition to the Olympic games.

RBC didn’t immediately return calls from the Sun.

The anarchist group is vowing to be at the G8 and G20 summits in Huntsville and Toronto next month.

Anyone with information should call police at 613-236-1222, ext. 2199, or Crime Stoppers at 613-233-8477 (TIPS).

Homeslice 05-20-2010 07:01 AM

What stolen land are they referring to?

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 07:10 AM

"The land that was stolen from our Native Brothers" ®

*EDIT* In this specific case they may be talking about the land used for the recent Winter Olympics, but there have also been recent Indian land claims for a good chunk of northern Ontario and Quebec, including Montreal itself.

Anarchists in SUVs; perpetuating the use of the Tar Sands.

Homeslice 05-20-2010 07:18 AM

But Vancouver and the Tar Sands are hundreds of miles apart.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 07:49 AM

Yup, maybe 800 miles. It's 2,600 miles from Vancouver to Ottawa.

But the capital of Canada is Ottawa and THE GODS DEMAND A SACRIF....., um...., THE INDUSTRIALIST SLAVE MASTERS MUST PAY!!!

the chi 05-20-2010 08:52 AM

Canada has aborigines?

askmrjesus 05-20-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Chi (Post 374379)
Canada has aborigines?

Almost all countries do.

JC

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chi (Post 374379)
Canada has aborigines?

It's politically incorrect these days to refer to them as "Indians" just because Columbus got lost, so they're usually referred to as:

- Aboriginal peoples
- First Nations
- Those whackos with AK-47s, who are burning railroad ties on the highway

the chi 05-20-2010 09:00 AM

snort

I cant help but think of "The Gods Must Be Crazy" anytime I see the word aborigine. I know the Native Americans and what not are considered the original owners of this land, I was unaware it was now un PC to call them Indians however. How silly.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 09:10 AM

The track where I do most of my racing photography is smack-dab in the middle of Mohawk land. Every now and then they have, what they call, "days of action." This usually involves blocking highways, tearing up rail lines, and generally making life hell.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/j...deseronto.html

askmrjesus 05-20-2010 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374387)
The track where I do most of my racing photography is smack-dab in the middle of Mohawk land. Every now and then they have, what they call, "days of action." This usually involves blocking highways, tearing up rail lines, and generally making life hell.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/j...deseronto.html

It's all your fault.

You Canadians are too polite to give out small pox blankets. :lol:

JC

the chi 05-20-2010 09:14 AM

Good heavens. Well, I have to admit, while I dont agree with the tactics, I am a supporter of their ideals. After all, white man did come in and give them a few pretty beads then massacre their peoples so we could steal everything they owned.

*I grew up in OK, in a town primarily populated by Choctaw Indians. That may skew my views a bit.*

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by askmrjesus (Post 374389)
It's all your fault.

You Canadians are too polite to give out small pox blankets. :lol:

JC

Well it worked fine, in the beginning. We politely asked them to kill each other in our wars, and it worked. I think that it's time for another Plains of Abraham.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chi (Post 374390)
Good heavens. Well, I have to admit, while I dont agree with the tactics, I am a supporter of their ideals. After all, white man did come in and give them a few pretty beads then massacre their peoples so we could steal everything they owned.

*I grew up in OK, in a town primarily populated by Choctaw Indians. That may skew my views a bit.*

Things were somewhat different in Canada, though only by a matter of degrees. We're a nation of negotiators. Unfortunately all of those negotiations resulted in so many conflicting treaties, that no one really knows what's what anymore. The way that I see it in a free nation of laws, there is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. You start burning shit? I lose any and all empathy for you.

the chi 05-20-2010 09:23 AM

Well, like I said, I dont agree with their tactics by any stretch, but looking at it from their side, they are getting attention, which is much more than I am sure they get when they go to endless and pointless govt. meetings trying to get something accomplished. Now if only they could figure out how to get the right kind of attention they'd have something going for them.

pauldun170 05-20-2010 09:29 AM

Awesomely retro.

O' the days when it was just the crazy Anarchists that we had to worry about.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chi (Post 374398)
Well, like I said, I dont agree with their tactics by any stretch, but looking at it from their side, they are getting attention, which is much more than I am sure they get when they go to endless and pointless govt. meetings trying to get something accomplished. Now if only they could figure out how to get the right kind of attention they'd have something going for them.

If their initial demands were more reasonable, then they'd have gotten more of the "right" kind of attention. The folks in the Caledonia, Ontario area want the entire Grand River basin. Take a look at the map here:

http://www.sixnations.ca/LandsResources/HaldProc.htm

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldun170 (Post 374402)
Awesomely retro.

O' the days when it was just the crazy Anarchists that we had to worry about.

It's just an excuse to use words like "Bolshevik", wear black berets, and play the bongos.

askmrjesus 05-20-2010 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374409)
It's just an excuse to use words like "Bolshevik", wear black berets, and play the bongos.

:lol:

JC

KSGregman 05-20-2010 09:39 AM

We murdered their ancestors and stole their land and property fair and square!!! How DARE they be angry at us about it...how DARE they have the audacity to ask to be compensated for what was stolen from them...or to have their stolen land returned. It's sooooo inconvenient when they get angry about how badly they are treated....why can't they just go back to their nice little reservations and leave us innocent white folks alone?

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 374413)
We murdered their ancestors and stole their land and property fair and square!!! How DARE they be angry at us about it...how DARE they have the audacity to ask to be compensated for what was stolen from them...or to have their stolen land returned. It's sooooo inconvenient when they get angry about how badly they are treated....why can't they just go back to their nice little reservations and leave us innocent white folks alone?

Actually in most cases, in Canada, the word "stolen" can be swapped out for either "leased", or "purchased." Just because you think you got a raw deal, 200 years ago, doesn't give you the right to bust shit up now.

Hmmmmm...... Where have I heard that before?

KSGregman 05-20-2010 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374416)
Just because you think you got a raw deal, 200 years ago, doesn't give you the right to bust shit up now.

Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

goof2 05-20-2010 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374379)
“This hasn’t stopped the government from assuming full ownership of the land and its resources for the benefit of its corporate masters and to the detriment of aboriginal peoples, workers and the poor of the province,” it said.

Why do I get the feeling the people who did this are not aboriginal peoples, workers, or the poor of the province.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chi (Post 374379)
Canada has aborigines?

If you watched any of the Winter Olympics opening and closing ceremonies they had a lot of "First Nation" people involved doing first nationey type stuff. They were dressed in native garb very similar to that of Native Americans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374379)
If their initial demands were more reasonable, then they'd have gotten more of the "right" kind of attention. The folks in the Caledonia, Ontario area want the entire Grand River basin. Take a look at the map here:

http://www.sixnations.ca/LandsResources/HaldProc.htm

You all should let them build casinos. It has really worked wonders here.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 374446)
Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

... given money for simply being alive, tonnes of opportunities for full-pop paid higher education, exemption from sales taxes.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 374453)
You all should let them build casinos. It has really worked wonders here.

They've got casinos and BINGO halls. The casinos tend to be run by sketchy people from Vegas.

sherri_chickie 05-20-2010 10:46 AM

The reserves here in Alberta tend to be RICH, but there is huge poverty none-the-less. The Hobbema reserve is in the middle of some of the most oil rich land in the province, and they, unlike the average land owner, own the oil rights. At the age of 18 each band member gets a HUGE payout ( over 100K). Despite all this oil money the reserve looks like a 3rd world city. burned out houses, graffiti everywhere, and huge problems with alcohol, drugs and gangs. I worked at a school there ( making much less than a regular provincial teacher) for one year and that was all I could take. If someone makes something of themselves, they are ostracized by their community as a sell out. Education is not valued. I don't have a clue why either. When someone goes out, gets an education, and then comes back to teach their own people, they are treated like dirt!

But that is just my experience in one place. In no way do I mean all First Nations people are like that. My cousins are Meti and they are great people with a work ethic and intelligence anyone could envy.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 10:57 AM

There seems to be a fair bit of corruption in the various band councils. The band council members tend to be quite well-off, while the run-of-the-mill band member scrapes to get by.

Homeslice 05-20-2010 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374416)
Actually in most cases, in Canada, the word "stolen" can be swapped out for either "leased", or "purchased."

Under threat of force?

Tmall 05-20-2010 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374387)
The track where I do most of my racing photography is smack-dab in the middle of Mohawk land. Every now and then they have, what they call, "days of action." This usually involves blocking highways, tearing up rail lines, and generally making life hell.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/j...deseronto.html

Don't forget beating up old men and leaving them to lay there brain damaged. That might just be in Caledonia however..

Tmall 05-20-2010 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherri_chickie (Post 374465)
The reserves here in Alberta tend to be RICH, but there is huge poverty none-the-less. The Hobbema reserve is in the middle of some of the most oil rich land in the province, and they, unlike the average land owner, own the oil rights. At the age of 18 each band member gets a HUGE payout ( over 100K). Despite all this oil money the reserve looks like a 3rd world city. burned out houses, graffiti everywhere, and huge problems with alcohol, drugs and gangs. I worked at a school there ( making much less than a regular provincial teacher) for one year and that was all I could take. If someone makes something of themselves, they are ostracized by their community as a sell out. Education is not valued. I don't have a clue why either. When someone goes out, gets an education, and then comes back to teach their own people, they are treated like dirt!

But that is just my experience in one place. In no way do I mean all First Nations people are like that. My cousins are Meti and they are great people with a work ethic and intelligence anyone could envy.

My old roomate was a police woman in a northern ontario native community, she spent more of her money feeding their neglected pets than she did on herself.

The goverment would build them a home, and they would tear down another to use as fire wood.

It's almost unbelievable... Almost.

karl_1052 05-20-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex (Post 374475)
There seems to be a fair bit of corruption in the various band councils. The band council members tend to be quite well-off, while the run-of-the-mill band member scrapes to get by.

The council has all the money and power. They discourage any book learnin for that reason.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 374509)
Under threat of force?

Nope, as I said not in most cases. There's a reason why Sitting Bull came to Canada, when he was bing chased in the US.

karl_1052 05-20-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 374446)
Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

Congrats! you just won the award for the most ignorant statement of the day!

This is the same arguement regarding the black slaves in American culture.
What side of the arguement are you on in that one?

They are not forced to live anywhere, they are given free education, free housing, free vehicles, free everything, but they piss it all into the wind.

Yeah, they are soooo ignored.

:wtfru:

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 374542)
The council has all the money and power. They discourage any book learnin for that reason.

It's easier to control their people if those people don't have the information that tells them what's wrong. They want to govern themselves, but they get taken advantage of by their own. No one knows who is really in charge; the grandmothers, the Warriors, or the band council.

Of course our history, where Natives are concerned, isn't perfect either, however it mostly involves residential schools, rather than Wounded Knees.

Tmall 05-20-2010 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 374446)
Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.


I don't know any natives who have to live on a reserve. I know plenty who do it for the tax breaks and freebies. Good for them for using the system to it's fullest. For as many "raw deals" as they've been handed, they've made out like bandits on many others.

Papa_Complex 05-20-2010 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 374557)
I don't know any natives who have to live on a reserve. I know plenty who do it for the tax breaks and freebies. Good for them for using the system to it's fullest. For as many "raw deals" as they've been handed, they've made out like bandits on many others.

My BIL is Native AND American. He went to school for photography as soon as he could get his ass moving, then got his mechanic's license so that he could get a real job, when the photography thing wasn't working.

You stay on The Rez, there's no incentive to do anything with your life.


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