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pauldun170 07-16-2010 02:02 PM

Clutch or no Clutch?
 
Do you normally upshift with the clutch or without?
If yes,

Model\Year:
Miles you have put on it:
Any general comments: ex. "Normally avoid clutchless shifting on 1-2 shift"

Optional: Include pic of a random member's ass.

lauralynne 07-16-2010 02:07 PM

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99 superhawk (30,000 miles) - no clutch during upshift - sometimes from 1-2 through neutral just depends.

2nd gen SV650 race bike (miles unknown) - no clutch during upshift ever


Ass picture:

Homeslice 07-16-2010 02:20 PM

Always clutch, no matter the bike. I don't see the advantage of clutchless shifting. Tried it many times, didn't like how jerky it was, and didn't see the point in continuing.

KSGregman 07-16-2010 02:24 PM

I always use the clutch...no exceptions.

Model\Year: Suzuki M109-R - 2007
Miles you have put on it: All of them.... ~ 13,000
Any general comments: This bike is notorious for rough shifting...particularly from 1st to 2nd....I always use the clutch to try and smooth it out. *shrug*

I never used the clutch on upshifts on my 2004 Suzuki GSX-R750.

defector 07-16-2010 02:39 PM

My bikes: clutch on upshift on the street only.
My kids bikes: no clutch on upshifts. Ever. Track only.

Bikes:
Mine - '01 929rr (street, almost 40k), '07 600rr (track only) 15k miles maybe.
Kid - '04 (?) RS125, '06 (?) RS450R no clue on how many miles.

Dave 07-16-2010 03:07 PM

2003 honda cbr 954rr. 10,000 miles. Clutch on 1-2 clutchless ups anytime after. I do it on all of my bikes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 393675)
Always clutch, no matter the bike. I don't see the advantage of clutchless shifting. Tried it many times, didn't like how jerky it was, and didn't see the point in continuing.

If it jerks you did it wrong.

Riceaholic 07-16-2010 03:24 PM

01' gsxr-1000
47000 on the clock and I always use the clutch.

Homeslice 07-16-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 393683)

If it jerks you did it wrong.

Put a little upward pressure on the shifter, then quickly roll off the gas and back on again. That's how everyone told me to do it, the problem is when you get back on the gas, it's jerky. Also I have heard rumors that it can wear the transmission. Whether or not that's actually true, I don't really care, since the ability to shift clutchless is not a big deal to me. I mean seriously, why do you guys do it on the street? So you can leave one hand on your hip? I don't get it.

marko138 07-16-2010 03:34 PM

Always use the clutch. Try clutchless shifting on a XB...it'll sound like a Peterbuilt banging through gears.


Zuk, sometimes I did not use clutch. Was much smoother.



And Slice...you don't roll the throttle all the way closed. Just back off a touch, shift and back on. It's smooth as with a clutch if you do it right.

goof2 07-16-2010 03:35 PM

01 R6 with 13,500 or so miles.

I always use the clutch since there is no advantage to me to not use the clutch with my riding style.

Dave 07-16-2010 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 393688)
Put a little upward pressure on the shifter, then quickly roll off the gas and back on again. That's how everyone told me to do it, the problem is when you get back on the gas, it's jerky. Also I have heard rumors that it can wear the transmission. Whether or not that's actually true, I don't really care, since the ability to shift clutchless is not a big deal to me. I mean seriously, why do you guys do it on the street? So you can leave one hand on your hip? I don't get it.

I ride 2up a lot. Smoother shifts = less helmet banging and other such nonsense. Besides its a hell of a lot of fun when you get it right. Like marko said, its a very slight very quick reduction in throttle and go right back into it. Wrist should barely even move

CrazyKell 07-16-2010 04:16 PM

Always clutch.

2006 ZX6

30,000 kms on it.

DLIT 07-16-2010 04:25 PM

Only go clutchless if I'm beating the shit outta the throttle. Just cruising around, I always use it. Always use it between 1 & 2, regardless.

On both the R1 and R6. 11.5k on the R6 and 2k on the R1.

EpyonXero 07-16-2010 04:57 PM

Usually shift with the clutch. Sometimes I shift commando.

2003 VFR
30-something thousand miles.

Cutty72 07-16-2010 07:47 PM

Like Dlit. If I'm really on it, I sometimes go clutchless.

08 1125R w/ 10,xxx
05 SV650S w/15,xxx

t-homo 07-16-2010 08:17 PM

2000 R1. 51K miles, 10K from me.

Always use the clutch from 1-2, but then i typically go clutchless.

HurricaneHeather 07-16-2010 08:38 PM

Usually use the clutch unless I am being lazy or drag racing.

None of my bikes have working clutches...or engines for that matter. :lol:

Particle Man 07-16-2010 09:12 PM

Always. I figure the folks at Suzuki were nice enough to include one that I oughta use it. :)

Captain Morgan 07-16-2010 11:47 PM

I voted always clutchless, but it's more like "mostly clutchless." I've found that I generally have to use clutch from 1-2 on the street because the tranny will sometimes pop back down into neutral. It also depends on how I'm riding. If I'm riding in a situation where the RPM's are climbing slowly, I'll go ahead and use the clutch, however, that is rarely the case, so I'm normally clutchless.

It's an '09 V-strom with 4.6k on it.

azoomm 07-17-2010 01:20 AM

At work right now

Always clutch the work bike -
2010 R1200RTP
~2000 miles

After hours bike - never use clutch - but it has gear-shift-assist.
2010 BMW S1000RR
~1000 miles

racedoll 07-18-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldun170 (Post 393672)
Model\Year: ZX6RR\2004
Miles you have put on it:17,900
Any general comments: always use a clutch

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 393690)
Try clutchless shifting on a XB...it'll sound like a Peterbuilt banging through gears.

:lol:

OTB 07-18-2010 09:04 PM

For whatever it is worth; I have used clutchless up and downshifting for everything (except for two Harleys) but the 1-2 shift since 1970something. I have owned and ridden a multitude of bikes, several 70+k miles....

I have NEVER needed to replace a clutch or gearbox on a streetbike......

Not once....never.....

(I have smoked my share of clutches on the track, however......)

marko138 07-18-2010 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTB (Post 394030)
For whatever it is worth; I have used clutchless up and downshifting for everything (except for two Harleys) but the 1-2 shift since 1970something. I have owned and ridden a multitude of bikes, several 70+k miles....

I have NEVER needed to replace a clutch or gearbox on a streetbike......

Not once....never.....

(I have smoked my share of clutches on the track, however......)

Did you go clutchless on my Buell when you rode it? :lol:

101lifts2 07-18-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTB (Post 394030)
For whatever it is worth; I have used clutchless up and downshifting for everything (except for two Harleys) but the 1-2 shift since 1970something. I have owned and ridden a multitude of bikes, several 70+k miles....

I have NEVER needed to replace a clutch or gearbox on a streetbike......

Not once....never.....

(I have smoked my share of clutches on the track, however......)

Yeah...if you don't use the clutch you shouldn't have to replace it..What a concept.:lol

I always release the clutch during shifting, but only a slight tug on the lever. Every track school I've been to recommends releasing the clutch during shifting becuase of the consistency.

I've had too many bikes and ridden too many miles.

Captain Morgan 07-19-2010 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 394067)
Yeah...if you don't use the clutch you shouldn't have to replace it..What a concept.:lol

He also says he's never had to replace a gearbox, which I think is the key part of the statement. And with putting 70k miles on bikes, it doesn't sound like it's detrimental to not use the clutch.

Dnyce 07-19-2010 08:20 AM

do it right, all is well. good skill to have, whether or not u use it all the time.

z06boy 07-19-2010 10:46 AM

Always used the clutch on R1 with 12,500 miles on it. 11,500 on the R6 and clutch has always been used.

I've owned close to 10 or so bikes and have always used the clutch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 394041)
Did you go clutchless on my Buell when you rode it? :lol:

:rofl:

OTB 07-19-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 394067)
Yeah...if you don't use the clutch you shouldn't have to replace it..What a concept.:lol

'Cept for starting and stopping, idling, waiting at stop signs and lights, ......

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 394041)
Did you go clutchless on my Buell when you rode it? :lol:

Did you hear the earth move.....

marko138 07-19-2010 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTB (Post 394191)
'Cept for starting and stopping, idling, waiting at stop signs and lights, ......


Did you hear the earth move.....

Thought that was just the Drummer pipe.

No Worries 07-19-2010 03:05 PM

I love fanning the clutch, and use it for every shift. For me, it's just another part of motorcycling that makes it fun, and different from riding a cage. Plus, most right-handers have a dominant left brain. By using the clutch and shifter in perfect unison, my right brain gets a workout.

DLIT 07-19-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 393801)
At work right now

Always clutch the work bike -
2010 R1200RTP
~2000 miles

After hours bike - never use clutch - but it has gear-shift-assist.
2010 BMW S1000RR
~1000 miles

Rode a S1000RR the other day. Just to see how the shift-assist (BMW's version of a quick-shifter) worked. Worked really well. I wasn't raping the throttle, but even down low (around 4-5k) it was still smooth. Great bike.


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