So you want to learn how to ride and want to buy a super sport? Read this
 

Busa 4 first bike = win

Hey, I know people who started on busas.... :-) I still hate it when they bring in other traffic as a reason not to buy a superstore..... It's the same on any bike.... I'd.

I honestly think new 600s are more forgiving than 650s. 650s are like on and off switches. At low power/low speeds, like you would be in normal traffic, you have a very twitchy bike on a 650, add to that shitty suspension. This is not the best way to learn.

On a modern 600, low speed/low power, the bike is very slow to rev up and go in comparison to the 650. It's not til you hit the high up powerband that it becomes a racer. It's harder for newbies to keep it in the powerband. Plus, you got a much better suspension/brakes. If you get a Honda, don't know if other manufacturers do this yet or not, but you can get ABS and steering damper stock.

I don't see the point to bash 600s, but give passes to 650s.

I think a sportbike is better in traffic withthe better acceleration, braking and handling compared to other bikes. As a noob you can get yourself into mroe trouble on a sportbike, but once yo ukinda know what your doing it can also help get you out of trouble.

On a related note: I've never been in more trouble than on supermoto bikes. The mindset that at any given time you can jump up on the sidewalk, and make a getaway down steps thru a business park or pedestrian bridge is like giving someone Ironmans suit.

Not that I ever did that :?:

Reminded me of this video I saw. Lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUsjv-MRoTs&sns=em

My bike is the exception to the rule. It says no 4 cylinders. But my 4 cylinders only produce 70hp....

BTW lots of racers start off on 600s.... At least in this country they do...:lol: Other than the Red Bull rookies, is there a smaller professional racing class?:idk: I remember the old 250 2-stroke class but that wasn't for the faint heart either.:lol:

I know 2 current teen racers that started on ninja 250s. The one, Harrison Ringle won national championships the last two years. He now has offers to move up to a sponsored 600 ride, but I dont think he wants to yet. I think he decided to race 650 twins this year...

more top racers start on mini's, 50

hayden and edwards
then there are the euros, like all of them.

I think there are WAY too many words for a nOOb to read, comprehend and make be expected to make a logical decision about something that has nothing to do with logic.

It's your damn money, buy what you want. I'm REALLY tired of people telling what I should spend my money one. And, I have no expectation of the government telling me what I should spend my money on. Why the hell would I tell someone else where something falls on the list of "shit that will kill you?"

I don't know who is more naive, the guy that buys a supersport as a first bike to show off for chicks OR the guy that blathers on to the nOOb on the supersport how they won't die on a Ninja250.

Isn't that VERY regional lthough? I've never seen or even heard of a 250 cc class in this area. My point is that across the country it would be very difficult to find a "serious" class of professional racing. Most, if not all racers in the ama 600 supersport class are about 16 or less.

Exactly my feelings.... I have honestly seen this several times, a kid gets brow beaten by other riders to buy a "starter" bike. Those same "buddies" go riding with him and Ofcourse leave him in the dust, forcing the kid to override the bike just to try and keep up. Off the top I can remember 2 ninja 250s and a Seca that have been wrecked this way. The amount of work that Tiffany had to put in just to keep up on her 250 was hilarious... :-) I will never agree that the crappy suspension/brake parts on a starter bike is a positive.....

Yup.

I mean, I appreciate a small bike for the giggle factor. And, I don't mind my daughter riding hers around town. But, fuuuuuuuu getting on the freeway in its stock form. I don't want them on something that I wouldn't want to ride myself.

No one appreciates being preached to. And, after being preached to and left behind they will only take it as someone trying to make them look dumb or slow.

No but a 250 wont slam you head on into a tree at 160 mph, it will do it at 90.

And for what its worth, I have always tried to steer folks towards the older 650 twins, they are more than powerful enough to keep someone entertained for a few years, but are still forgiving enough that you can screw up a little and still maintain composure, while at teh same time not screwing up a 10k bike because you flung it off the side of a mountain

Either speed will kill you.

Either speed control will be difficult, maybe more difficult on a 250 with a stock suspension.

But the small displacement bike will allow you to get away with a sloppy throttle hand when learning. Especially in weather.

I dont necessarily think a 250 is a must. But a parallel twin 500 or 650 is way better learning tool than a 600 ss....

Truth! Not to mention the shit brakes... When Tiffany got her GSXR600 I made her ride it in "C" mode for the first month or so. It will never happen but maybe a way to take a I4 and make it run on 2 cylinders like a parallel twin at first? :idk:

That is the one point I will always concede...although I've seen some crazy shit happen when a kid gets off a 250 and onto his first ss bike.... Whoa nelly!!:lol:

I would disagree, I owned an SV650 as my first real bike, and the throttle was milquetoast in terms of response. I don't see how you think it would be twitchy.

The reason 600's are bad is because the high redline and the high torque curve is like a drug, it encourages guys to see if they can reach it, and by the time they've reached it, they're going 90-100 mph, and can't brake in time to avoid hitting something.

The other reason 600's are bad is because the riding position forces newbies to waste time figuring out how to use their muscles to brace themselves and stay comfortable, rather than relaxing and learning how to ride.

Not to mention that slow speed maneuvers are harder on a SS and it is nearly impossible to turn the bars full lock because of clip on position.

I'm not one to tell people which bike to start on but saying that a 600RR is an easier bike to learn on than an SV or ER, Gladius, etc is ridiculous.