Buell unveils 1125RR race bike
 

Link: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/614/40...-Unveiled.aspx

And Buell press release: http://www.buell.com/en_us/company/n...p?news_id=1459

This should get interesting:jerry: from all the Buell bashers.....

Yep, I can hear them coming....

No bashing here...just don't bash the Japanese Harley wannabees... :lol

Oh but since I'm here...what class will it be competing in...hopefully not aganst the 600's ? I didn't read the whole article.

AMA American Superbike.

They used to sell the XB RR for the same price.. 1450ccs, 150hp 130-140 tq..

This thing had BETTER be putting down some serious numbers for that kind of money..

No kidding. And no where in the presser or article does it mention power numbers.

Better, lighter wheels & swing arm, new front rotor, airbox, exhaust, cams and a chain drive for $28 grand? :scratch:

Seems like you could build your own cheaper than you could buy one. :idk:

Everything I read said that you could build the current Geico Daytona Sportbikes for an additional 20 large....and that of course assumes you already have the stock 1125.

Ahhh...ok...then I say :cheers:

I said I didn't read the article but now have admitted that I didn't even catch that in the title of the article. :lol:

All indications were that this bike was coming. It was just a matter of when. Now...I sure as hell hope it's competative.

Apparently a belt drive is no good there Marko. :lol

And Z06, yes it will compete against Japanese 600's and the Aprilia RSV(1000cc). Not sure if the 848 competes though.

It probably will be...if it will knock the Suzuki's off the front row I'll even pull for it. Oh crap...here comes Tigger. :lol

When have you ever seen belt drive on a race bike? I have never.


And American Superbike is 1000cc inline 4's, is it not?

Can't wait till Tigger gets in here to take a shit on it. Same song and dance from that one trick pony.

Superbike is the big boys though...right ?

Direct from the AMA website:

I'm not gonna bash either but I don't see how a few engine changes, a chain drive and a couple other tweaks makes this bike worth $40,000... I doubt Aaron Yates bike costs $40,000 in material- minus the suspension of course. The article said that they are still running Showa. :idk: Shit, if they are competitive, I'll be right there cheering them on with you!!!:rockwoot: All I want is an American company to build a bike that competes with the Japanese makers on equal ground!:pat: I will say one "bashy" thing though, this bike sounds to be almost the same as the bikes competing in Daytona Sport Bike. If so, I think that it's kinda weird. It would be like having a slightly less modified GSXR1000 in that class.:idk:

Alright, I happen to agree with your post. I'm pretty sure even the Daytona bikes use Ohlins suspenders.

No but they indicated that the street version was going to convert to a chain.


Yes it is I misread it. They mentioned DSB class and that what I thought it ws racing in.

Yea it's like they are fielding the same exact bike in both categories... it just seems weird.:idk:

Oh, and this sucker is running THIS weekend at Mid-Ohio!

I saw that, DVR set! Hey isn't the KTM racing in Daytona Sport Bike this weekend as well?

Yep, the Super Duke.

Super Duke really? Interesting.

AMA website:

I have to admit that the Daytona sportbike category is growing on me somewhat... It's hard to argue with the diversity of machines and the close racing. Too bad about Cardenas at Leguna!:panic:

I did too the first time.

This is true and same with me.

This thing better be a monster of a bike. The price, the failures of the XBRR, the initial reports of the 1125R. Good god it better be awesome.

We're here, brother, we're here....





:lol:

Though I must say...the BADDEST sounding bike I've ever heard in my life was a XBRR race bike at my track day in Pocono. Good lord that thing sounded like it was fueled by dead children.

where it should have been at the start IMO. im curious to see how it does. Fagan had some pretty scathing things to say about the ZTLs and in frame gas. we'll see.

I hope they are competitive, should be interesting. Finally in the right class. I agree with Tigger, don't know why the showa crap is even on it.

I hope the pace car doesn't attempt to kill anyone again. I still can't believe NASCAR controls the motorcycle racing in this country....

So I'm guessing there was a rule change to get the 1125 in the open class where it belongs, and out of the 600 class? I don't follow NASBIKE, so forgive me if that's old information.

:lol: "a rule change"

I guess they couldn't fit Ohlins into the $40,000 budget...:idk: That chain kit must be crazy expensive!

Rims $3,000 (minus stock)
Rotor $500(minus stock)
Engine mods $3,000?
Exhaust $2,500(minus stock)
Body Kit $1,000(minus stock)
Showa upgrades $5,000?(minus stock)
Chassis upgrades $5,000?(frame and swing arm mods)
Bike $8,000(minus street parts at Buell "cost")
Chain kit $10,000?

I must be missing something I guess...:idk:

Am I missing something?

I thought that was funny... I mean, you can always race a smaller/weaker machine in a higher class right? Plus there has been a Buell team in Superbike all season, right? I thought you were being funny, I guess I was wrong, sorry.

Yeah there has been they just haven't been competitive but it sounds like the RR will be.

Okay here comes a little hate! Um why don't the rules apply to Buell? Don't the other motorcycle manufacturers have to field STREET bikes in the American Superbike class? In their own rule book it states that a bike has to be a certified streetbike to compete. That the bike must be available to the public for purchase. Does anyone doubt that Suzuki could produce a pretty awesome GSXR1000R race only bike for $40,000? I'm sorry, I honestly want an American company to race here and win here but without bending the rules. Without having the sanctioning body helping them. Without cheating!:pat:

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong but it just seems fucked up to me.

well motocyz aimed way too high. fisher doesnt build their own engines. roehr is 1200cc, supercharged, and still slower than a gixer 1k. and buell is very busy being an american bmw. did i miss any?

Maybe Polaris/Victory will come out with something....:idk: Oh and not building your own engine hasn't stopped Buell.:lol:

yeah but i had enough faults listed already. i figured any more would put me into bashing territory :didntdo:

true there is polaris, indian too if we want to get technical. i was kinda trying to keep it to those who have current viable sporting options though

Define "viable", next year DMG will probably allow those Can-Am Spyders into Daytona Sportbike and allow them superchargers to get the necessary hp/weight ratio.:lol:

Polaris/Victory could really do it if they wanted to...:idk:

lmao @ DMG, i wouldnt put it past them.

and by viable i just meant have something out right now. polaris doesnt really have anything on the horizon

i have to admit that it's been "diverse" for sure! I mean now with the KTM Superduke out there racing, what's next? Maybe BMW should give up on WSBK and bring Troy and Ruben into this class.:lol:

im willing to bet bmw will do better next year. rc8 is coming in too. of course KTM was smart enough to put together a BSB companion series to gain data for it...

"when they run superbike, ill shut my pie hole"- tigger.

Should have got you to put your money where your mouth is...

:lol:

Thats the descrepancy I saw too...but I sure as hell wasn't gonna say anything. :lol:

I dont know...I can only assume they would argue that it is a mass produced bike in the form of the stock R. But the press release says otherwise...so I dont know how they got it in.

Then again, I really dont care. I dont closely follow racing. I dont get bent out of shape over it.

Direct from Buell.com:

:lol:

Hey I tried to just go along but damn, you know? Oh well, you're right I'll let it go and see what happens but you have to admit that it's kinda strange.:idk:

Yea I'm not bent out of shape or anything... you won't understand but I honestly, really want to see us compete in AMA Superbike and eventually WSBK with an honest, legitimate, competitive bike. I'm serious. We live in the greatest country in the world, why can't we produce a motorcycle that can compete?:pat: Fuck even England is getting back into it in the Supersport class.

id kill to see triumph build a new big daytona for bsb and wsbk. Hell, nortons back too now arent they? Lets see a new f1 rotary. :Drool:

ok i missed all this cause I was picking up a new 1125R. BUT, does anyone remember the ohlins shod R1 LE? The R7? Lmt Ed race specials have been out before...Should a bike that can be hopped up as a special deserve to race against 1000s? Yeah, same bike stock against 600s nah, but DMG is insane so there you have it. Power to weight is their only measure and fixing the rules to cause unatural parity is NASCAR at its finest. wrong, you bet, but it will happen.

Not sure if they meant the RR or the standard R too?
Advantage of the chain is the easy gearing changes necessary for different tracks. For racing it's ok, since they probaly change out sprockets and chain after every race.

Street use... I love my belt :D No adjusting, No lubing, no wear to speak of...

Weight is shaved via new titanium exhaust system and 6-spoke magnesium wheels, which replace aluminum stock units. The cast aluminum swingarm is machined with an axle adjustment system and a chain drive replaces the stock 1125R’s belt system (though the current 1125R is already being campaigned with such a chain drive).

Unless they mean only on the track bikes. :idk:

The race bikes that race in the 600 class have chains already is what they meant.

Yeah... that's what I'm not sure of.
Who knows... I know a lot of people that put chain drive on 'em, but those were the track junkies.
I know I like not having to ever worry about changing my drive belt.

I'm going to pretend this is the last thing I will say about this.


Each bike is built for its respective class.

I don't care if its a V8 if its within the rules you have nothing to complain about.

GP is running 800's.. Is a zx10 faster? Or are they built to meet a certain set of rules?


If you cant/refuse to wrap your head around that, then I obviously can't explain anything to you..

Now I'm not calling anyone here in particular a retard, but some days I'm not surprised a keeper or two doesn't log on to apologize for not supervising you a little better.

These bikes are made to meet the rules of their specific class. If that is hard to understand, then I just don't know what else to say..

The 800 is a much different animal with a purpose built engine. The 1000cc bikes are tweaked production bikes. Much much different circumstances.

A 1125cc production motor vs a 600cc production motor is a retarded difference and you know it, however your buell bias is completely blinding the retardation of the notion of this.

It's still sad that this was even a viable option for Buell. They would of gotten much more respect if this 1125rr was entered into the superbike competition without ever setting foot in the 600cc class.

DMG is a shitty organization with really stupid fucking ideas. It's evidenced by the shithole AMA has become since they took over. It's sad that you are even debating this.

Don't they have to make X number of street legal production bikes for the 1125RR to run in the superbike class? Remember the Yamaha R7? Yamaha was forced to make a limited production street legal version to be able to race them. So is DMG overlooking this rule?

Dude.. I think my bike is slow as fuck. I have absolutely no buell bias. If I gave a shit about being fast I would trade it in yesterday.

I care about the enjoyment of the ride and having power where and when in the powerband that I need it.

I think its cool that the manufacturer of my slow street bike is getting everybody pissed off when they run the stock version against the 600s and complain that they can't run with the 1000s.

Then when they DO produce something to run against the 1000s they find something else to complain about.

What's stopping one of you from buying a 2003 gsxr1000 strapping a turbo on and having something that would destroy the superbike field without a bit of problem? Oh right.. The rules..


You make it sound as if buell is burning the American flag. You're so down on anything that's not in your narrow field of vision that you refuse to see things for what they are and instead see them for what they aren't.

And that is where you went wrong.

Most of the bikes were built with a specific class in mind (125's, 250's, 600's, 1000's, etc.)

Buell built a bike and then the rules were made to accomodate it.

The buell is not made to run in that class, it was forced into that class by a shitty organization.

I am not complaining about them running with the 1000s. They are finally going where they belong even though they are still bending the rules to fit them in there.

This is nothing to do with Buell. Buell is taking advantage of what they are given and more power to them for that. This is against DMG. DMG is a shitty org and I want them gone from moto racing.

exactly

So this bike is street legal? Such a joke.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/souperPoll

Poll fail.

maybe this link?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090715d.htm

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090715e.htm

Ah, fuck it...

Doh :boobs:

I think it is cause they reworked the engine where they won't let the other bikes do that anymore from what I read in the article.

That's what I was questioning. Why is this bike legal in AMA SBK if it is not a street use production motorcycle?

You read the preninja edit, I presume? :lol:

Everything I read bitches about it never having had lights.

It was in the other article

I am assuming that they were allowed to do some superbike stuff to the bike that became illegal for the japanese to do the same thing.

well if they do allow buells to compete I hope they find a way to make the rear brake work!
Really we wouldnt even be discussing this if not for DMGs idea that anything can go racing in any class as long as the manipulate the rules to make them all EQUAL. Stupid right. Make the rules and let the competition bear out a winner says I. No says DMG make all bikes equal and let fate decide who the pace car kills says them...

This isn't fucking nascar. Give them a certain engine reqs to work with and let them see who is better technology and rider wise. Get NASCAR out of it. If you can't build a 1125cc twin to compete against 1000cc inline 4s, tough shit.

i supposed the real question is when will they try to enter BSB? harley has an xr1200 cup over there so buell has no excuses other than it likes having rules written around them. :2cents:

Stupid Honda. Winning the AMA championship in 03 with a 200 cc advantage against the i4s...

Almost like the AMA wrote the rules to favour them that year..

Buell has a 125cc advantage against 1000cc i4s, apparently they need to go where they need a 525cc advantage. Fuck that 200cc shit.

Three reason why that's a bad example:

1. Mat Mladin won the 2003 Title on a Suzuki.

2. There were two other factories using the same displacement advantage in 2002.

3. 2003 was the year the displacement advantage ended.

The 2002 rules were not written for Honda, they just built the best machine under the existing rules.

dizzam

What? Honda won the Championship on a 1000 V-Twin vs 750 I4s, when that advantage was taken away, they never won again. In fact they've won very few races since then. I have no idea why...:idk:

I guess that's what I got for feeling saucy and not using google.

Go Buell. That is all. Back to you.

Also, when the displacement advantage ended.. The 1000s were running restrictor plates. If you want to talk about copying nascar, isn't that how they've always restricted engines?

Yeah sorry about that. :lol:

Seriously though, the rules had allowed the 1000 twins to run against the 750's and Honda took advantage of that.

Harley was running the VR1000, Ducati the 916/99X bikes, hell even Suzuki ran the TLR for a few years (not sure about '02 though).

They didn't build a bike and then have the rules changed to make it fit.

For restrictor plates, I don't remeber, I know the new 1000 inlines were allowed less motor mods but I don't recall whether or not they used restrictor plates.

I'm not sure about AMA but I know they were restricted in WSBK.

Actually, I hope they do well after all of this! I mean, I'd honestly hate to have that egg on our faces if they do badly after all of the advantages they've been given.:pat:

NASCAR SUX! The Toyota teams built engines to the rulebook, NASCAR approved them, then changed the rules for Toyota mid season, restricting their carbs cause they were kickin everyones ass. Trip is right to object to that mindset in bike racing regardless of the manufacturer!

and while I a wound up, the reason DMG think they can get away with it is because they did it semi successfully with the Moto ST gig. 3 classes, rules on power to weight for any kinda bike. They screwed that pooch too though as at first it was no sportbikes and then they allowed Aprilia Tuonos to walk away with their class as they are just naked RSVs. The other big difference is endurance is not about racing hea to head but about durability and endurance.

The Buell, piloted by Taylor Knapp, qualifies 11th.

That's not too bad! I wonder where they were before?

Good question. I dont have that answer.

With no offense meant to Mr. knapp, sounds like my engine has alot more potential. Really though is it a level playing field even from a DMG standpoint, power to weight. Has the non homologation special been weighed and dyno'ed? Will the mods granted it be allowed next week for the in line fours?

Good luck Mr. knapp, this may be your one opportunity at stardom...

I love Buell, I really do and I am looking for a Firebolt 12r for a track bike. However, this bike is a bit over priced considering what else is available like a 1098R which actually competes against liter bikes in FIM instead of supersports in AMA. Also, the 1098R is street legal.

I am sure Harley will have MV Agusta do it's racing for them. They will do a 1k version of the 312rr (1078 for this year) when Harley gets them back in shape. JK--I am sure they will both race.

So what do you all think about Buell's performance at Mid Ohio?

Buell raced SS. I didn't see the results.

Race results:

HD has cheated since the Indian war for the military bikes. you expect something new now?

Sweet, I wish that I had seen the second race before you had said that!!!:panic: