Jail for sex with widow

fatbuckRTO · 01-21-2009, 09:33 AM

Marine Jailed for Sex With Widow

January 14, 2009
UPI

SAN DIEGO - A U.S. Marine sergeant has pleaded guilty to adultery and received a 90-day sentence for having sex with the widow of a young man he had recruited.

Stephen Kuehler, 30, a recruiter in St. Louis, was court-martialed Tuesday in San Diego, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported. The base there regional headquarters for recruiters in St. Louis.

Amy Patton testified that Kuehler got in touch with her after her husband, Michael Patton, was killed in Afghanistan last year, less than a year after their marriage. Patton joined the Marines in 2007 immediately after his high school graduation.

"He was very helpful," she testified. "I considered him kind of a big-brother type."

The sex occurred at Patton's house after she had drunk tequila on top of a prescription anti-depressant.

David Ahn, Kuehler's lawyer, said that his client made a "mistake" while he, like Amy Patton, was grieving over Patton's death. But Capt. Tyler Hart, the prosecutor, said that he was guilty of an act of betrayal.

"Most of all he betrayed the trust of a fellow Marine," Hart said.

http://www.military.com/news/article...ESRC=marine.nl

Trip · 01-21-2009, 09:34 AM

That's retarded...

fatbuckRTO · 01-21-2009, 09:35 AM

If this Marine is guilty of a court-martial offense, then I know a fair percentage of the US armed forces who need to be locked up. A lot of them didn't wait for their buddy to die before they stole his/her spouse.

A lot of the spouses didn't wait, either.

azoomm · 01-21-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

If this Marine is guilty of a court-martial offense, then I know a fair percentage of the US armed forces who need to be locked up. A lot of them didn't wait for their buddy to die before they stole his/her spouse.

A lot of the spouses didn't wait, either.

I don't think that's the point.

He took advantage of the emotions involved. He went over there to console her, then when she was hopped up on drugs and alcohol he had sex with her. The placement of that information in the story makes it curious that it wasn't a rape charge...

But, I understand your point and do agree. I know quite a few that should be put away if it's just an adultery issue.

fatbuckRTO · 01-21-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by azoomm

I don't think that's the point.

He took advantage of the emotions involved. He went over there to console her, then when she was hopped up on drugs and alcohol he had sex with her. The placement of that information in the story makes it curious that it wasn't a rape charge...

I understand what you're saying, but if that's the issue then the "betrayal" of the dead Marine shouldn't have entered into the discussion at all. The "offense" would be against the widow alone, and the charge would have to be rape. Unless they copped out and charged him with the "catch all" 134, which would be bullshit in this case.

It's just a ridiculous over-extreme punishment. 90 days in jail for being an asshole? I mean, shit, we have career counselors bragging about how they could get Marines re-enlisted after DUI charges, etc. But they're gonna put this schmuck in jail for questionable tail?

I won't even start with how much bullshit a rape charge due to intoxication is...

Rider · 01-21-2009, 11:08 AM

How the fuck is it adultery? The husband was dead, meaning there was no more marriage. Did the guy use poor judgment? Of course, but he didn't do anything against the law. So every person in the world that has sex with a widow/widower is an adulterer? Bullshit!!

z06boy · 01-21-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider

How the fuck is it adultery? The husband was dead, meaning there was no more marriage. Did the guy use poor judgment? Of course, but he didn't do anything against the law. So every person in the world that has sex with a widow/widower is an adulterer? Bullshit!!

I agree 100 %

Sure he may have been wrong for doing it BUT we weren't there so if he didn't forcidly rape the woman who says what she did or said to give him the impression she was able and willing ?

To me...if the husband was alive and away on active duty and his recruiter did this... then it would be worse and he should be punished and maybe even kicked out of the Marines.

smileyman · 01-21-2009, 11:09 AM

I guess Semper Fi is only in certain cases. Still they had to send a message. To sully the name of the Marines with a rape charge woulda been a shame, so they made an example of adultery.

Still he was over the line, but I'd do 90 days on my head for a great peice of greiving booty!

VatorMan · 01-21-2009, 11:14 AM

Back in the day we had what you called WestPac widows. The day a ship got underway-you'd find the whore of a wife in the club.

Once you reach a certain rank you need to be held accountable for your actions-He stepped over the line and got bitch slapped. I have no problem with it.

azoomm · 01-21-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

I won't even start with how much bullshit a rape charge due to intoxication is...

I see both sides of that one. It REALLY depends on the circumstances with that one... if you can show intent on his part [rufie type of idea] then yes. If she had him over to her place and then one thing lead to another, and she just happened to be drunk at the time.... no.

knowwhatImean?

I think they were using him as an example because he wasn't just another guy in the barracks - he was the person that recruited her husband. And, probably someone she would go to for questions, details, concerns, etc. Authority figure, if you will...

Yes, he should have known better...

01-21-2009, 09:33 AM	#1
fatbuckRTO This is not the sig line. Join Date: Dec 2008 Moto: Be prepared. What? Oh, moto... Posts: 1,279	Jail for sex with widow Marine Jailed for Sex With Widow January 14, 2009 UPI SAN DIEGO - A U.S. Marine sergeant has pleaded guilty to adultery and received a 90-day sentence for having sex with the widow of a young man he had recruited. Stephen Kuehler, 30, a recruiter in St. Louis, was court-martialed Tuesday in San Diego, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported. The base there regional headquarters for recruiters in St. Louis. Amy Patton testified that Kuehler got in touch with her after her husband, Michael Patton, was killed in Afghanistan last year, less than a year after their marriage. Patton joined the Marines in 2007 immediately after his high school graduation. "He was very helpful," she testified. "I considered him kind of a big-brother type." The sex occurred at Patton's house after she had drunk tequila on top of a prescription anti-depressant. David Ahn, Kuehler's lawyer, said that his client made a "mistake" while he, like Amy Patton, was grieving over Patton's death. But Capt. Tyler Hart, the prosecutor, said that he was guilty of an act of betrayal. "Most of all he betrayed the trust of a fellow Marine," Hart said. http://www.military.com/news/article...ESRC=marine.nl __________________ This was no time for half measures. He was a captain, godsdammit. An officer. Things like this didn't present a problem for an officer. Officers had a tried and tested way of solving problems like this. It was called a sergeant. -Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

01-21-2009, 09:35 AM	#3
fatbuckRTO This is not the sig line. Join Date: Dec 2008 Moto: Be prepared. What? Oh, moto... Posts: 1,279	If this Marine is guilty of a court-martial offense, then I know a fair percentage of the US armed forces who need to be locked up. A lot of them didn't wait for their buddy to die before they stole his/her spouse. A lot of the spouses didn't wait, either. __________________ This was no time for half measures. He was a captain, godsdammit. An officer. Things like this didn't present a problem for an officer. Officers had a tried and tested way of solving problems like this. It was called a sergeant. -Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

01-21-2009, 11:09 AM	#8
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	I guess Semper Fi is only in certain cases. Still they had to send a message. To sully the name of the Marines with a rape charge woulda been a shame, so they made an example of adultery. Still he was over the line, but I'd do 90 days on my head for a great peice of greiving booty! __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

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01-21-2009, 11:08 AM	#6
Rider Moto GP Star Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,156	How the fuck is it adultery? The husband was dead, meaning there was no more marriage. Did the guy use poor judgment? Of course, but he didn't do anything against the law. So every person in the world that has sex with a widow/widower is an adulterer? Bullshit!!

01-21-2009, 11:14 AM	#9
VatorMan Wrap Yo Ass in Fiberglass Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: Feet Posts: 1,605	Back in the day we had what you called WestPac widows. The day a ship got underway-you'd find the whore of a wife in the club. Once you reach a certain rank you need to be held accountable for your actions-He stepped over the line and got bitch slapped. I have no problem with it.