Go Back   Two Wheel Fix > General > Off Topic

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-15-2011, 06:04 PM   #1
Homeslice
Elitist
 
Homeslice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Moto: Gix 750
Posts: 11,351
Default For the oil clueless

"There is practically nothing that Washington can do that would materially change the price of fuel in this country," said Raymond James analyst Pavel Molchanov, noting that the United States produces about 5 percent of the world's petroleum while consuming about 20 percent. "Given that imbalance, there is simply no policy shift that could plausibly come from the federal government that can significantly change that dynamic."
Homeslice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 07:39 PM   #2
'73 H1 Triple
restorer of the original
 
'73 H1 Triple's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zionsville,PA
Moto: '93 ZR1100 &'73 Kawasaki H1 500
Posts: 1,331
Default

Since the speculators are currently responsible for about 20-25% of the increase in the per barrel price, why not tax them at 5X what they make?

I can guarantee that if the oil speculators were taxed $500 for every $100 they made, the price of oil would would drop.

You can also be sure that someone in the industry would NOT suggest that
'73 H1 Triple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 08:02 PM   #3
Papa_Complex
Nomadic Tribesman
 
Papa_Complex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Brampton, Canada
Moto: '09 ER-6n
Posts: 11,150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by '73 H1 Triple View Post
Since the speculators are currently responsible for about 20-25% of the increase in the per barrel price, why not tax them at 5X what they make?

I can guarantee that if the oil speculators were taxed $500 for every $100 they made, the price of oil would would drop.

You can also be sure that someone in the industry would NOT suggest that
How about not letting speculators buy futures, unless they are physically capable of taking delivery?
__________________
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising"

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/
Papa_Complex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 08:15 PM   #4
derf
token jewboy
 
derf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man
Posts: 10,799
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by '73 H1 Triple View Post
Since the speculators are currently responsible for about 20-25% of the increase in the per barrel price, why not tax them at 5X what they make?

I can guarantee that if the oil speculators were taxed $500 for every $100 they made, the price of oil would would drop.

You can also be sure that someone in the industry would NOT suggest that
Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa_Complex View Post
How about not letting speculators buy futures, unless they are physically capable of taking delivery?
Both viable but completely unrealistic options. Too many people are making too much money for them not to screw everyone else.
__________________
derf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 08:39 PM   #5
Adeptus_Minor
Hopster
 
Adeptus_Minor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Moto: 2009 Buell 1125R
Posts: 4,743
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by derf View Post
Both viable but completely unrealistic options. Too many people are making too much money for them not to screw everyone else.
Quoted for effin' truth.
__________________
“Well, obviously before; after was all gendarmes and dick stitches.”
Adeptus_Minor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 09:53 PM   #6
marko138
DefenderOfTheBuelliverse
 
marko138's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Parts Unknown
Moto: Buell XB12R
Posts: 18,585
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by derf View Post
Both viable but completely unrealistic options. Too many people are making too much money for them not to screw everyone else.
Smart motherfucker right here.
__________________


Quote:
Grandma said she doesn't want you here when she gets back because you've been ruining everybody's lives and eating all our steak.
marko138 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 07:01 AM   #7
Papa_Complex
Nomadic Tribesman
 
Papa_Complex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Brampton, Canada
Moto: '09 ER-6n
Posts: 11,150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by derf View Post
Both viable but completely unrealistic options. Too many people are making too much money for them not to screw everyone else.
Realistic actually, if politicians started to be charged for getting kick-b...., I mean if 'campaign contributions' were limited.
__________________
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising"

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/
Papa_Complex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 09:20 AM   #8
derf
token jewboy
 
derf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man
Posts: 10,799
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 101lifts2 View Post
I don't agree..he aligns himself with the Libertarian party view of non-interventionism and limited government for which most decisions should be left up to the states. He is consistent in his voting.
Yes, hes very consistent, but hes also a politician, thus he is a proffessional liar and thief and has been deemed to be operating in his own self interest. Since his actions can only be assumed for his own benefit, it can also be assumed that he votes a certain way to benefit himself, and my guess would be that his major benefit is keeping his job, so he votes the way he dos to stay in office. Most politicians follow party lines and vote for stuff because thats where their election money comes from, the party and the party affiliation. Paul has established himself as the libertarian republican guy from TX who bucks the system. Thats what people donate their money to, the libertarian republican who bucks the system. Its the role he plays and the niche he fills.

I might be completely wrong about that ^, but I dont really trust anybody in DC, they are all theifs and liars. Until proven otherwise (and even then I truly doubt it) I will belive that they are all self serving corrupt liars. Including Paul. And thats my opinion.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa_Complex View Post
Realistic actually, if politicians started to be charged for getting kick-b...., I mean if 'campaign contributions' were limited.
Again, too many people making too much money off it to change it now. Thus it is completely unrealistic.
__________________
derf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 10:45 PM   #9
101lifts2
WSB Champion
 
101lifts2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Anaheim, CA
Moto: 2009 Kawi ZX6R
Posts: 5,570
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by '73 H1 Triple View Post
Since the speculators are currently responsible for about 20-25% of the increase in the per barrel price, why not tax them at 5X what they make?

I can guarantee that if the oil speculators were taxed $500 for every $100 they made, the price of oil would would drop.

You can also be sure that someone in the industry would NOT suggest that
I listened to John Stossell say that speculators are not responsible for the price of oil. I'm sure to some extent, but it's def. not the driving factor.

And if what you say (20/25% control) is true, shouldn't we be worrying about the 75/80% i.e. the weakening dollar?
__________________
Train Hard

Ron Paul - 2012

Mark of Excellence
GM
101lifts2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2011, 10:48 PM   #10
'73 H1 Triple
restorer of the original
 
'73 H1 Triple's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zionsville,PA
Moto: '93 ZR1100 &'73 Kawasaki H1 500
Posts: 1,331
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 101lifts2 View Post
I listened to John Stossell say that speculators are not responsible for the price of oil. I'm sure to some extent, but it's def. not the driving factor.

And if what you say (20/25% control) is true, shouldn't we be worrying about the 75/80% i.e. the weakening dollar?
Our current pres is spending money like it's water flowing over the dam further devaluing the US$
'73 H1 Triple is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:54 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.