Companies do NOT care...

[shmike]

Spun off from Kaneman's thread...

Originally Posted by Angee

Although I haven't posted, I'm watching this. Companies do NOT care. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get an attorney!

Originally Posted by Mudpuppy

Correction: Companies DO care - about the bottom line - profit that is, greenbacks. That is all they care about. That is the society / the world we live in and the failed system of profit, greed and corruption.. It never has worked and it never will work..

Originally Posted by AquaPython

wait... what?
what does not work, capitalism?
you got a better idea?

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Yes; regulated capitalism and good corporate citizenship. People shouldn't have to fight it out with their insurance companies, in cases where they clearly should be ponying up. As with this case, people are generally in a very bad emotional place when they NEED their insurance coverage. That the insurance company employees choose to make things tough for them, at such times, shows that they are somewhat less than human.

Your thoughts?

[udman]

This outta be fun

[smileyman]

People in general are only reliable to do whats right and good if they are somehow made to be accountable for their actions.

However in the vaccum of todays world, and in corporate business world there lies an opportunity to act outside acceptable behavior without responsibilty or accountability for those actions.

People can hide in the committees, the board rooms, and avoid blame for incredibly selfish and greedy behavior without even coming into contact with those affected by their decisions and policy. They wont even be called into question by their superiors unless profitability or performance take a dive.

So it's gloves off every man for himself out there, any promise of virtue is only a facade.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Yes; regulated capitalism and good corporate citizenship. People shouldn't have to fight it out with their insurance companies, in cases where they clearly should be ponying up. As with this case, people are generally in a very bad emotional place when they NEED their insurance coverage. That the insurance company employees choose to make things tough for them, at such times, shows that they are somewhat less than human.

We have regulated capitalism.

While I agree that people should not have to fight with their insurance companies to have legitimate bills paid, the company should also be expected (and allowed) to do their due diligence to make sure it was a covered loss. To be honest with you, I find it hard to believe that the insurance company is even involved at this point.

Regarding the companies do not care comments, I believe that those comments were made in regard to the ex's employer not her insurance carrier. I originally said she should get an attorney (I misread and assumed she had been fired). I no longer feel that that is necessary.

They are holding her job for her while she is away. What more should she expect? Should the company continue to pay her for not working?

While this tragic event is more assuredly going to cause a huge financial strain on the family, I'm not sure how that is the fault or responsibility of her employer?

[Kaneman]

Ugh. Where to begin?

[Kaneman]

Ok, here's my thing. If companies don't give a fuck about their employees then they shouldn't be able to pretend they do in order to better control their employees through bullshit propaganda.

For example, the company in question makes their employees wear cards that contain MB's Core Values: Honesty, Openness, Respect, etc. etc. etc....which is all complete bullshit.

Honesty is paramount.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by shmike

They are holding her job for her while she is away. What more should she expect? Should the company continue to pay her for not working?

Unless they have a benefits plan in place, no.



If she does have benefits, and the insurance is dicking her around, then the company should step in, and have HR deal with it. It is their job to ensure that the employees are taken care of.
An HR manager will have a lot more pull than a regular employee when dealing with an Inusrance company.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

Unless they have a benefits plan in place, no.



If she does have benefits, and the insurance is dicking her around, then the company should step in, and have HR deal with it. It is their job to ensure that the employees are taken care of.
An HR manager will have a lot more pull than a regular employee when dealing with an Inusrance company.

This.

If this doesn't work - hire an attorney to light the fire.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

Unless they have a benefits plan in place, no.



If she does have benefits, and the insurance is dicking her around, then the company should step in, and have HR deal with it. It is their job to ensure that the employees are taken care of.
An HR manager will have a lot more pull than a regular employee when dealing with an Inusrance company.

It would have saved me a lot of typing if I had seen your post first.

I agree 100%.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by shmike

We have regulated capitalism.

While I agree that people should not have to fight with their insurance companies to have legitimate bills paid, the company should also be expected (and allowed) to do their due diligence to make sure it was a covered loss. To be honest with you, I find it hard to believe that the insurance company is even involved at this point.

Regarding the companies do not care comments, I believe that those comments were made in regard to the ex's employer not her insurance carrier. I originally said she should get an attorney (I misread and assumed she had been fired). I no longer feel that that is necessary.

They are holding her job for her while she is away. What more should she expect? Should the company continue to pay her for not working?

While this tragic event is more assuredly going to cause a huge financial strain on the family, I'm not sure how that is the fault or responsibility of her employer?

The way that I see it, it's a case of two companies not meeting their responsibilities. The 'employer' is failing to be an advocate for the person they employed, who is now in dire straights. This strikes me as a failure of corporate responsibility, the washing their hands of the entire issue. What else is an HR department for?

As to the insurer, they're doing what many companies have been slapped down for on numerous occasions; delaying, delaying, and then likely denying. I have no problem with a company working to be profitable but this strikes me as both abrogation of basic human responsibility, and breach of contract by failure to perform. Insurance companies in the US have a very poor track record for fulfilling their responsibilities, and allegations (founded) of paying performance incentives for finding ways to avoid those responsibilities.

*EDIT* Kaneman, next time your ex talks to the insurer, tell her to get a case number from the contact. Whenever she calls them back tell her to reference that case number, rather than letting them run her through the gears yet again.