who's at fault

RACER X · 01-07-2009, 07:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2UJUqq5MNQ

BobTheBiker · 01-07-2009, 07:52 AM

the cage is at fault for making him crash, but the biker is also at fault to an extent for having the (clearly) heated exchange with the cager that started it.

JoshuaTree · 01-07-2009, 08:02 AM

The motorcyclist IS at fault - he was the 'following vehicle', failed to maintain adequate distance and clearance from the vehicle he was overtaking. Not to mention not having the smarts enough to not put himself in a position to be hit after having a confrontation with a car driver.

The car driver is guilty of not stopping and rendering aid. Depending on the lane markings at the point of impact, he might be guilty of failing to signal a turn, but that's going to be about it.

As the title so aptly puts it - Road Rage. I guess the cruiser rider now has a better understanding of Newton's Third Law.

Corey · 01-07-2009, 08:10 AM

If it's florida, it's no fault.

BobTheBiker · 01-07-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey

If it's florida, it's no fault.

you ever tested that law? the way the "no fault" thing works is whoever is in the rear, or has front end damage is at fault regardless. from personal experience.

Trip · 01-07-2009, 08:52 AM

Biker is definitely at fault. Following too closely.

Curb · 01-07-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Corey

If it's florida, it's no fault.

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Originally Posted by BobTheBiker

you ever tested that law? the way the "no fault" thing works is whoever is in the rear, or has front end damage is at fault regardless. from personal experience.

i'm testing it right now. some lady cut across three lanes of traffic and i hit her on the left side of her car with the front of my bike and guess what...IT WAS HER FAULT

. she got the ticket and my lawyer says this is a no brainer...i win, even though i technically made contact with her with the front of my bike into the back of her car

Captain Morgan · 01-07-2009, 01:40 PM

Due to the video, the cager is at fault. He did it on purpose as there was nothing in front of him. It was pure road rage and nothing else. Then, he left the scene. Now, insurance may actually put it at "both at fault" and make them each pay for their own damage. A very similar situation happened when my step-mom was a claims adjuster. Two people got pissed at each other and the one in front did the exact same thing in this video. It worked out as I stated, "both at fault, each pays their own damage."

pauldun170 · 01-07-2009, 01:58 PM

Biker...Biker...Biker

Biker - Obstructing Traffic in the beginning of the video
Biker - Menacing by approaching the Cage driver
Biker - Tailgating

You tailgate...you take ownership.
the "brake check is irrelevant"

The guy could have braked check or made an emergency stop. It is the Biker fault. Don't know what led up to the video but since it's the biker who is in front I'm guessing it is the Biker who initiated the incident. Even if cager had been tailgating the biker it is still the biker fault because he could have moved over to let the guy pass but instead he stopped the bike to be a dick.

However he realized that riding a cruiser does not mean the "image" applies to you and got checked by the motorist.

Biker - FAIL
Biker - FAIL
Biker - F.A.I.L

I will not comment on the cager leaving the scene because the video does not provide evidence that he does. He could have pulled in to a parking lot (instead of just blocking traffic, he could have moved to a safe location to asses the damage and call police)

lauralynne · 01-07-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldun170

Biker...Biker...Biker

Biker - Obstructing Traffic in the beginning of the video
Biker - Menacing by approaching the Cage driver
Biker - Tailgating

You tailgate...you take ownership.
the "brake check is irrelevant"

The guy could have braked check or made an emergency stop. It is the Biker fault. Don't know what led up to the video but since it's the biker who is in front I'm guessing it is the Biker who initiated the incident. Even if cager had been tailgating the biker it is still the biker fault because he could have moved over to let the guy pass but instead he stopped the bike to be a dick.

However he realized that riding a cruiser does not mean the "image" applies to you and got checked by the motorist.

Biker - FAIL
Biker - FAIL
Biker - F.A.I.L

I will not comment on the cager leaving the scene because the video does not provide evidence that he does. He could have pulled in to a parking lot (instead of just blocking traffic, he could have moved to a safe location to asses the damage and call police)

agreed. Biker is a dumb ass for being anywhere near a cage he just got in a fight with. 700lbs vs. 2000 pounds and the bike is going to lose no matter what, fault or not.

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biker	19	67.86%
cage	9	32.14%
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01-07-2009, 07:44 AM	#1
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01-07-2009, 08:02 AM	#3
JoshuaTree DILLIGAF? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, Texas, USA, Earth, Sol, Western Spiral Arm, Milky Way Moto: 1993 K75SA Posts: 483	The motorcyclist IS at fault - he was the 'following vehicle', failed to maintain adequate distance and clearance from the vehicle he was overtaking. Not to mention not having the smarts enough to not put himself in a position to be hit after having a confrontation with a car driver. The car driver is guilty of not stopping and rendering aid. Depending on the lane markings at the point of impact, he might be guilty of failing to signal a turn, but that's going to be about it. As the title so aptly puts it - Road Rage. I guess the cruiser rider now has a better understanding of Newton's Third Law. __________________ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" "Learn to do the counter-intuitive things that may one day save your ass..." "... Love Much, Laugh Often..." - Amanda Kay Corso (January 18, 1980 - April 15, 2008)

01-07-2009, 08:10 AM	#4
Corey AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Florida Moto: Not a damn thing Posts: 2,612	If it's florida, it's no fault. __________________ Half man, half horse, half motorcycle. All awesome. "Your game is shit, your company is shit. Activision ruined you! Activision ruined you." - Francis

01-07-2009, 07:52 AM	#2
BobTheBiker too much time on my hands Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: the northern district of god damn Moto: 01 ZX6R, looking for more now. Posts: 1,802	the cage is at fault for making him crash, but the biker is also at fault to an extent for having the (clearly) heated exchange with the cager that started it.

01-07-2009, 01:40 PM	#8
Captain Morgan Let's do another U-turn Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indiana Moto: 2009 V-Strom Posts: 3,816	Due to the video, the cager is at fault. He did it on purpose as there was nothing in front of him. It was pure road rage and nothing else. Then, he left the scene. Now, insurance may actually put it at "both at fault" and make them each pay for their own damage. A very similar situation happened when my step-mom was a claims adjuster. Two people got pissed at each other and the one in front did the exact same thing in this video. It worked out as I stated, "both at fault, each pays their own damage."