Ufc 94

[OneSickPsycho]

UFC Prime Time is on Spike right now and Penn & St. Pierre are just talkin' shit.

That could/should be an amazing fight. Who you got?

[Corey]

Wow, what a fucking surprise, I'm scheduled to work. I've missed every fucking UFC event since May from this damn bullshit of getting scheduled every fucking Saturday.

/rant

I got St. Pierre. Penn's a good fighter, but I think GSP is better. Penn's to wrapped up in trying to be the man holding two belts.

The fight of the night is going to be Diaz vs. Guida. Guida may not win but he has yet to put on a stinker of a fight. The guy just kicks ass. And now that I've said that, watch it be the snooze fest of the evening. I'm still betting on Diaz vs. Guida to be fight of the night unless GPS/Penn is monumental.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Corey

Wow, what a fucking surprise, I'm scheduled to work. I've missed every fucking UFC event since May from this damn bullshit of getting scheduled every fucking Saturday.

/rant

I got St. Pierre. Penn's a good fighter, but I think GSP is better. Penn's to wrapped up in trying to be the man holding two belts.

The fight of the night is going to be Diaz vs. Guida. Guida may not win but he has yet to put on a stinker of a fight. The guy just kicks ass. And now that I've said that, watch it be the snooze fest of the evening. I'm still betting on Diaz vs. Guida to be fight of the night unless GPS/Penn is monumental.

I'm pretty excited about the Penn/St. Pierre fight... I'm just wondering what Penn we'll see... the under-conditioned or the 'roided out version. Either way I see it being really good.

I LOVE that Guida guy... I'm not so sure about that fight, but I in the least I think it should be interesting.

[Corey]

Guida is the most entertaining figher in MMA right now and my favorite guy to watch. He doesn't always win, but he doesn't puss out halfway through a fight or play it safe if he can't get the quick victory. He's always in there dishing out and taking beatings until the end of the fight. He absolutely needed to be on this fight card to balance out the absolute dull piece of shit suckfest fight that Lyoto Machida vs Thiago Silva is going to be.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Corey

Guida is the most entertaining figher in MMA right now and my favorite guy to watch. He doesn't always win, but he doesn't puss out halfway through a fight or play it safe if he can't get the quick victory. He's always in there dishing out and taking beatings until the end of the fight. He absolutely needed to be on this fight card to balance out the absolute dull piece of shit suckfest fight that Lyoto Machida vs Thiago Silva is going to be.

They're drumming up that Machida/Silva fight too... Two undefeateds that I've never heard of... :hmm:

[jalaan1]

Penn always manages to surprise me (him and his F'd up ears,lol)

but i like the Saint for this one.

[Corey]

God help the UFC if Machida wins. He's the most boring, god awful fighter in the UFC. His fights consist of him winning on points and spending the majority of the fight running away. If he wins, he's going to want a title shot, and god knows his record says it's possible. Silva's fights are hit or miss. I think they're hoping he dives in and pounds Machida into the ground, but I think it'll be 3 rounds of Machida style tap and run, with a victory on points. Prepare for 3 rounds of the audience booing the entire time as well.

[Mr Lefty]

I didn't see the fight... but what do you think?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma...urn=mma,138156

Did GSP's corner cheat to give him an edge?

By Steve Cofield




After a dominating victory over B.J. Penn at UFC 94, Georges St. Pierre is clearly the better fighter. GSP left no doubt. And yet now there is, thanks to one of his cornermen, Phil Nurse. It's pretty clear by watching the video that Nurse had some Vaseline on his hands when he rubbed St. Pierre's shoulders, back and chest between the first and second rounds.

Why is that a big deal in mixed martial arts? It's significant because of all the grappling and maneuvering that takes place on the ground. St. Pierre was on top of Penn in the second round and the Hawaiian tried several times to shift his legs up to work for a triangle choke or an armbar. Grip and some friction is huge in these cases and a slippery fighter would make it more difficult to lock on one of those holds. Above you can see, Nurse apply Vaseline to GSP's face, then get more Vaseline, then rub his shoulders, arms and back.

Penn's trainer Rudy Valentino told InsideFighting that St. Pierre cheated and the Vaseline thwarted his fighter's strategy:

"To cheat to win is not honorable. Why need another edge? Our gameplan was on the ground, not striking because we knew Georges had good kicks. We planned to work off the back."

Valentino says they warned the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight alleging that St. Pierre did it before their meeting in 2006 and that Matt Serra's camp claimed the same thing happened in Serra's second fight against GSP.

Greg Jackson, GSP's trainer hurt his reputation according to Valentino:

"I respect Greg Jackson but to do something like that, his integrity has been compromised."

Jackson told his side of the story to MMAWeekly:

"In between rounds, you always want to put on vaseline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest."

Watching the scenarios (1, 2, 3), show Nurse did more than tap the chest and rub a little point on GSP's back.

Jackson chalked all of this up to an overreaction by the NSAC:

"At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vaseline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all."

"The Commission" was actually NSAC executive director Keith Kizer. He bolted into the cage when he saw Nurse doing the same thing between the second and third rounds. Cage Writer spoke with Kizer after the fight and he was still steaming, saying that the rubbing of the back with Vaseline was completely inappropriate. But he was unsure if it had been done between the first and second.

UFC president Dana White also thought it was a serious violation:

"I saw the commission jump up there and flip out," said White. "They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think. I personally didn't see it, the commission did. And that's about as illegal as you can get... I'm sure the commission is going to deal (with it)."

White didn't believe that it affected the outcome of the fight but he re-stated that illegal is illegal:

"You could have put Vaseline on from head to toe, that wasn't the point, the point was you don't do it. It's illegal. The guy who did it needs to be punished, it's not (St. Pierre's) fault. The question is what happens to a guy that does that. You've got to put the smack down on him. He should lose his license."

Ultimately, did the use of the Vaseline win the fight for St. Pierre? No. But Penn's camp does have a right to complain.

St. Pierre should be getting props for being the better conditioned fighter, designing and executing the perfect gameplan. The way he wore down Penn in the first round by holding his left leg up on three occasions with the threat of a single-leg takedown, was brilliant. It allowed him takedown a tired Penn with ease in each of the next three rounds. More importantly, GSP was able to pass guard and shift between full guard and side control as if he were fighting a first-year jiu-jitsu student. Now Penn, other fighters who dislike St. Pierre and fans may call for an asterisk on his dominant victory.

[Quick281]

Interesting find but I would say it would have been more relevant if BJ Penn had been trying to grapple him and GSP kept magically sliding out. But it wasn't even close, GPS straight whooped.

If they are mad about it, rest up and challenge again and make sure the vaseline isn't applied. I don't see a different outcome assuming both fighters were in the same condition as this past fight.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Quick281

Interesting find but I would say it would have been more relevant if BJ Penn had been trying to grapple him and GSP kept magically sliding out. But it wasn't even close, GPS straight whooped.

If they are mad about it, rest up and challenge again and make sure the vaseline isn't applied. I don't see a different outcome assuming both fighters were in the same condition as this past fight.

I think the point made about the ease in which GSP slid out of the triangles Penn tried to apply... The commentators even noticed how Penn could not hold on and chalked it up to him being sweaty... GSP slipped out of no fewer than 5 triangle attempts... I'd say Penn has a legitimate beef.