Complaining about a soldier's funeral procession?

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Apoc

and you believe, that they, without provocation, got off their bikes, stuck their head in her car and yelled at her?

Yes...assholes or fly off the cuff people don't change their spots. Regardless of employment.

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I'm not taking anyones side here. I'm just not gonna gloss over the details because of the soldier's funeral.

Sheriff is a public official paid with tax payer dollars.
The women, despite sounding like an idiot had a valid complaint.

I'm pretty immune to the emotional appeal nonsense. I'm more interested in the facts.

Vietnam.....
Soldier....
Relatives ...family....blah blah lost someone ....blah blah blah

Irrelevant...

The only thing professional in the Sheriffs response was last line:

"Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's Office for his review. "


As for the women, the only thing worth reading is:

"Men that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the right lane on Gravois. I had to stop in the middle of an intersection. They proceeded to scream and yell at me.....

One of them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my car continuing to scream at me."


Though her delivery is painful to read, she has a valid complaint and she is entitled to to pursue the matter.




Had the body in the box been that of a gang banger would this thread had gone differently? Would we be so quick to dismiss the behavior of the motorcyclist sticking his head in a woman's car to yell at her had he been the uncle of an Accountant who jumped out off a bridge because of the market crash?

I am not impressed with the Sheriffs response.

Agree 100%. The facts are only relevant here. Keep emotions out.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Depending on your state

• Menacing in the third degree
• Disorderly Conduct
• Disturbing the Peace
• Using abusive language to another (Virginia)

...during an incident that can be classified as Road Rage.

What do you expect of the sheriff as far as his "duty to investigate" when the only crime potentially committed is a misdemeanor with no witnesses?

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by shmike

Why would an accountant kill himself over the stock market?

Accountants are terrible investors in the best of days.

The procession had the right of way. She was supposed to stop.

If she'd been paying attention she would have realized that before she got 1/2 way through the intersection.

She was driving in the lane next to the procession. MO law allows you to travel in the next lane obeying the traffic laws. She didn't have to stop. What happened is the motorcycle guy wanted to use HER lane so he could block the intersecting traffic from approaching the moving procession after his light turned red. Understand now?

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by goof2

What do you expect of the sheriff as far as his "duty to investigate" when the only crime potentially committed is a misdemeanor with no witnesses?

Its a funeral procession on major roadway where traffic was stopped.
witness...i would think so
Are you saying that misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation?
You should spread the word to departments that have units or detectives specializing in misdemeanor investigation.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Agree 100%. The facts are only relevant here. Keep emotions out.

Bill, seriously, have you gone stupid?

THERE ARE NO FACTS LITTLE BUDDY!

None. Not a thread of evidence. Just a letter she wrote. Thats far from proof.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Its a funeral procession on major roadway where traffic was stopped.
witness...i would think so
Are you saying that misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation?
You should spread the word to departments that have units or detectives specializing in misdemeanor investigation.

I would think that there are witnesses. It appears none of them stepped forward.

I think some misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation, namely misdemeanor drug possession, and I don't use drugs. I would spread the word to departments but they are notoriously bad listeners and I don't want to get tased.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Bill, seriously, have you gone stupid?

THERE ARE NO FACTS LITTLE BUDDY!

None. Not a thread of evidence. Just a letter she wrote. Thats far from proof.

Facts can be found from the evidence. evidence can be gathered from witnesses.

There were likely witnesses being that its a funeral procession and traffic was stopped.

It may or may not jive with the woman's testimony but there is at least the opportunity to see if a crime was actually committed.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by goof2

I would think that there are witnesses. It appears none of them stepped forward.

I think some misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation, namely misdemeanor drug possession, and I don't use drugs. I would spread the word to departments but they are notoriously bad listeners and I don't want to get tased.

My take is that if the sheriff does not want to fulfill his duty in this instance the we should revisit his compensation.

[shmike]

I'm expecting to see this on an episode of Law & Order very shortly.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Trip

It doesn't matter if they were not in her lane. If a funeral procession rolls by no matter what lane you are in, you are suppose to pull over and wait til they pass no matter if it is a soldier or not. I agree about the motorcycles, they should have never gotten involved..

Not according to MO law. If there is another lane alongside the procession, traffic can flow in that lane, esp. on the freeway.