Prohibition repealed?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

In this case, yes.

Fair enough! Do you think it's okay for a doctor to be high before he operates on you? Your family? Your dog? I don't but apparently it's just me again... ;D

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Fair enough! Do you think it's okay for a doctor to be high before he operates on you? Your family? Your dog? I don't but apparently it's just me again... ;D

Define "high". Would I agree with a Doctor smoking a blunt of hydroponic marijuana by himself and then working on me or family, no, that's a bit overboard. Do I have a problem with a toke or two, no, I don't.

The Doctor that was on call when my son crashed on his second night in the ICU was at the end of a 36 hour shift. His eyes were so red they looked like they were bleeding and he was on his second Red Bull in 3 hours. While he was trying to perform a difficult re-intubation, his hands were very shaky, and it was close.

He got the job done and saved my son's life, despite being severely impaired. I have no problem with the state he was in, as that is part of life.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by goof2

You do realize that no matter how many signatures you get on a petition there is no way to put a referendum on a federal ballot right? Those college students in Ann Arbor are still breaking a federal law with a penalty of at least a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail for a first offense. Second offense numbers jump to at least $2,500 and up to two years (15 days minimum). Third is at least $5,000 and up to three years (90 days minimum). Just saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

Oh and I'm no law student but I always thought that the Federal gov't sets the overall guidelines but the states can pass laws that contradict federal statutes to an extent...

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Oh and I'm no law student but I always thought that the Federal gov't sets the overall guidelines but the states can pass laws that contradict federal statutes to an extent...

They can, but that doesn't mean Fed. Gov. will abide by them. DEA raids on state approved Medical Marijuana facilities are a perfect example of this.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Define "high". Would I agree with a Doctor smoking a blunt of hydroponic marijuana by himself and then working on me or family, no, that's a bit overboard. Do I have a problem with a toke or two, no, I don't.

The Doctor that was on call when my son crashed on his second night in the ICU was at the end of a 36 hour shift. His eyes were so red they looked like they were bleeding and he was on his second Red Bull in 3 hours. While he was trying to perform a difficult re-intubation, his hands were very shaky, and it was close.

He got the job done and saved my son's life, despite being severely impaired. I have no problem with the state he was in, as that is part of life.

But wouldn't it have been "better" if that wasn't the case and he wasn't "impaired"?

Back on the laptop btw...

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

They can, but that doesn't mean Fed. Gov. will abide by them. DEA raids on state approved Medical Marijuana facilities are a perfect example of this.

Hmmm...okay, well it's a place to start right? All I know is, my grandparents weren't allowed to vote in this country at one time and now one of "us" is president...things can and do change if enough people want them to.

[Dragonpaco]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

But wouldn't it have been "better" if that wasn't the case and he wasn't "impaired"?

Back on the laptop btw...

in emergency medicine you will not find a single person who is not, high, sleep deprived or speeding. we work crazy shifts usually for days on end and the amount of patients we see daily gets in the way of whatever sleep we are able to get.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Hmmm...okay, well it's a place to start right? All I know is, my grandparents weren't allowed to vote in this country at one time and now one of "us" is president...things can and do change if enough people want them to.

As Kaneman already stated medical marijuana is legal in California, yet the DEA raids dispensary places anyway. Concerning the voting thing, all that took was the Civil War and an amendment to the Constitution.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

But wouldn't it have been "better" if that wasn't the case and he wasn't "impaired"?

Back on the laptop btw...

Wouldn't it be better if we were all born with a million dollar trust and had a wet nurse built like Pam Anderson? Or in this case, wouldn't it have been better if he hadn't gotten into the wreck in the first place?

Yes, it would be fucking awesome, but that's not the world we live in. I'm not making fun of your question, I'm just showing that from my perspective I live in a world with realistic expectations. People are not ever going to be at 100% alertness on any consistent basis, that's not the way the world works. My argument is that using marijuana has such a negligible effect on a person's CNS, cognitive and other functions that it should be viewed and overlooked the same way we do other accepted behaviors, such as drinking copious amounts of caffeine to make it through a tough shift, driving cars when we are tired from a long day, and so on and so forth.

My other point of contention is that even though you continuously point out how dopeheads are likely to kill someone driving while high, you admit to using a cell phone while driving a motor vehicle, something that is actually proven to greatly increase the likelyhood of a motor vehicle collision.

Would it be better if you didn't drive and talk at the same time? Yes, you would be less distracted....but that's not the world we live in, and I don't hold it against you for talking and driving, I don't look down on you, think you're addicted to your phone, or anything of the sort. Whereas you would look at someone who hit a joint before they left for work in the morning and think lowly of them, to the point of calling them an addict or dopehead.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by goof2

As Kaneman already stated medical marijuana is legal in California, yet the DEA raids dispensary places anyway. Concerning the voting thing, all that took was the Civil War and an amendment to the Constitution.

Um the Civil War was fought over state's rights and slavery but basically, we went from slavery to the presidency in 150 years, not too shabby. Anyway, if there really were an overwhelming majority of voters that wanted pot to be legalized, it would be. real talk.