worthy of death penalty?

RACER X · 01-19-2009, 09:27 AM

PASADENA, Texas—Even law enforcement officers were shocked when a Pasadena man was arrested with ten 500-gigabyte hard drives full of child pornography.

Investigators said that is more child porn than anyone arrested in Texas has ever had.

They said the man likely committed crimes against children every two days.

Investigators arrested John Sandel, 69, at his home on Pine in Pasadena.

They said his pornographic images mostly involved infants.

“The possessions alleged he had images of abuse, bestiality—actual sexual intercourse and sexual intercourse,” Harris County prosecutor Eric Devlin said.

As bad as that sounds, long-time sex therapist Dr. Barbara Levinson said she doesn’t believe every man involved in that kind of criminal activity belongs in jail.

Levinson believes prevention is the key.

“Let’s talk about how we can prevent this and how if somebody does this, how we can treat them without locking them up and making a big deal out of it. Some people need to go to jail, they do. I’m in total agreement,” she said.

Levinson said she’d like to see something like a “porn court,” if you will, where a trained judge and prosecutor could determine whether a suspect would be better off in rehab, a hospital or jail.

“Certainly they have to stop their behavior. There is no doubt about it,” Levinson said.

But Harris County said a recent study conducted in a federal prison showed the majority of those who were charged only with child porn had, in fact, already actively sexually abused a child.

Levinson believes that study is inaccurate.

Even if it is, it will be a tall task to convince the public that those who commit crimes against kids shouldn’t be locked away for good

OneSickPsycho · 01-19-2009, 09:31 AM

Umm.... yeah... if anything is worthy, it's certainly this...

However, I fundamentally disagree with capital punishment... Not that I have some sort of human rights pussy stance... I just think there's more effective deterrents.

PhiSig1071 · 01-19-2009, 10:03 AM

I think that the Death Penalty is a very outdated form of punishment that has become prohibitively expensive and no longer effective.

This guy? Hell no, think of what he's going to have to face in general prison population for the rest of his life! Death penalty would be getting off easy.

Rider · 01-19-2009, 10:05 AM

No death penalty. Let him get ass raped in prison everyday for the rest of his life.

Angee · 01-19-2009, 10:06 AM

Put him in general population...they'll take care of him. They just need to watch that he isn't killed too quickly.

Edit: I guess great minds think alike...

Papa_Complex · 01-19-2009, 10:29 AM

It's unclear: He was in possession of the material, or did he actually produce it himself? If the former, then jail. If the latter, then the death penalty is applicable. There are far too many credible professionals who believe that paedophiles are essentially incurable and if one has graduated to actually performing the atrocious acts himself, he needs to be put down.

azoomm · 01-19-2009, 10:35 AM

I agree with the notion for general population. Why should they get special treatment because they were a monster against a child? Maybe, just maybe, if they knew they wouldn't get special treatment they wouldn't do it in the first place. There are some things that are worse than death

nhgunnut · 01-19-2009, 10:39 AM

It is interesting, that despite all the attempts there has never been a study that demonstrates measureable reform of pedophiles. Despite in many case apparent motivation on the part of the pedophile. I believe after a arrest pedophiles should be offered voluntary euthanasia. Not sentenced to it but offered it as a humane option. In the case of violent pedophiles summary execution is appropriate

2up · 01-19-2009, 10:45 AM

I agree that if he created the porn, was a party to it, the death penalty would be a great option IF it weren't for the fact, as we all know, he'll just be on death row for eleventybillion years appealing his sentence instead of being in general population for that time.

If he didn't create it, then a lifetime of general population imprisonment is just fine by me. But for sure no special treatment.

MikeSP1 · 01-19-2009, 10:46 AM

Murder is punishable by death. Is rape also punishable by death (legitimate question)? If so, then this crime is also punishable by death. Crimes against full grown adults that are punishable by death, should very well be equally punishable (if not more harshly) when committed against children. It is rape, just because the victim isn't old enough to understand it doesn't change the definition.

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01-19-2009, 09:27 AM	#1
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	worthy of death penalty? PASADENA, Texas—Even law enforcement officers were shocked when a Pasadena man was arrested with ten 500-gigabyte hard drives full of child pornography. Investigators said that is more child porn than anyone arrested in Texas has ever had. They said the man likely committed crimes against children every two days. Investigators arrested John Sandel, 69, at his home on Pine in Pasadena. They said his pornographic images mostly involved infants. “The possessions alleged he had images of abuse, bestiality—actual sexual intercourse and sexual intercourse,” Harris County prosecutor Eric Devlin said. As bad as that sounds, long-time sex therapist Dr. Barbara Levinson said she doesn’t believe every man involved in that kind of criminal activity belongs in jail. Levinson believes prevention is the key. “Let’s talk about how we can prevent this and how if somebody does this, how we can treat them without locking them up and making a big deal out of it. Some people need to go to jail, they do. I’m in total agreement,” she said. Levinson said she’d like to see something like a “porn court,” if you will, where a trained judge and prosecutor could determine whether a suspect would be better off in rehab, a hospital or jail. “Certainly they have to stop their behavior. There is no doubt about it,” Levinson said. But Harris County said a recent study conducted in a federal prison showed the majority of those who were charged only with child porn had, in fact, already actively sexually abused a child. Levinson believes that study is inaccurate. Even if it is, it will be a tall task to convince the public that those who commit crimes against kids shouldn’t be locked away for good __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

01-19-2009, 10:03 AM	#3
PhiSig1071 Let go of my ears. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Moto: '03 GSX-R600, '04 625SMC Posts: 1,394	I think that the Death Penalty is a very outdated form of punishment that has become prohibitively expensive and no longer effective. This guy? Hell no, think of what he's going to have to face in general prison population for the rest of his life! Death penalty would be getting off easy. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda necessitatem

01-19-2009, 10:35 AM	#7
azoomm moderator chick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hill Country TX Moto: Pasta Rockets Posts: 8,917	I agree with the notion for general population. Why should they get special treatment because they were a monster against a child? Maybe, just maybe, if they knew they wouldn't get special treatment they wouldn't do it in the first place. There are some things that are worse than death __________________ We have enough youth. How about a fountain of "smart"? Come Play at the Track!! http://www.elitetrackdays.com

01-19-2009, 10:46 AM	#10
MikeSP1 Perpetual trouble Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at the base of the Alps Moto: VTX 1300C, RC51, CBR600RR, CBR929RR Posts: 715	Murder is punishable by death. Is rape also punishable by death (legitimate question)? If so, then this crime is also punishable by death. Crimes against full grown adults that are punishable by death, should very well be equally punishable (if not more harshly) when committed against children. It is rape, just because the victim isn't old enough to understand it doesn't change the definition. __________________ "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting GERONIMO!"

01-19-2009, 09:31 AM	#2
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	Umm.... yeah... if anything is worthy, it's certainly this... However, I fundamentally disagree with capital punishment... Not that I have some sort of human rights pussy stance... I just think there's more effective deterrents.

01-19-2009, 10:05 AM	#4
Rider Moto GP Star Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,156	No death penalty. Let him get ass raped in prison everyday for the rest of his life.

01-19-2009, 10:29 AM	#6
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	It's unclear: He was in possession of the material, or did he actually produce it himself? If the former, then jail. If the latter, then the death penalty is applicable. There are far too many credible professionals who believe that paedophiles are essentially incurable and if one has graduated to actually performing the atrocious acts himself, he needs to be put down.

01-19-2009, 10:39 AM	#8
nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	It is interesting, that despite all the attempts there has never been a study that demonstrates measureable reform of pedophiles. Despite in many case apparent motivation on the part of the pedophile. I believe after a arrest pedophiles should be offered voluntary euthanasia. Not sentenced to it but offered it as a humane option. In the case of violent pedophiles summary execution is appropriate

01-19-2009, 10:45 AM	#9
2up Waiting for Hello Kitty! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Arizona Moto: Nothing ATM, which makes me want to cry. Posts: 810	I agree that if he created the porn, was a party to it, the death penalty would be a great option IF it weren't for the fact, as we all know, he'll just be on death row for eleventybillion years appealing his sentence instead of being in general population for that time. If he didn't create it, then a lifetime of general population imprisonment is just fine by me. But for sure no special treatment.