Nobody likes your kids...

azoomm · 07-07-2011, 12:38 PM

Finally, someone is speaking out.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/0...ids/index.html

Grand Rapids, Michigan (CNN) -- If you're the kind of parent who allows your 5-year-old to run rampant in public places like restaurants, I have what could be some rather disturbing news for you.

I do not love your child.

The rest of the country does not love your child either.

And the reason why we're staring at you every other bite is not because we're acknowledging some sort of mutual understanding that kids will be kids but rather we want to kill you for letting your brat ruin our dinner.
Or our plane ride.
Or trip to the grocery store.

Or the other adult-oriented establishments you've unilaterally decided will serve as an extension of your toddler's playpen because you lack the fortitude to properly discipline them, in public and at home.

And we know you don't discipline them at home because you don't possess "the look." If you had "the look," you wouldn't need to say "sit down" a thousand times.

If you had "the look," you wouldn't need to say much of anything at all. But this nonverbal cue needs to be introduced early and reinforced diligently with consequences for transgressions, just like potty training. And whenever a kid throws a temper tantrum in the middle of the shopping mall it's just as bad as his soiling his pants to spite his parents, and it stinks just as much.
If you had 'the look,' you wouldn't need to say 'sit down' a thousand times.

I have seen a small child slap her mother in the face with an open hand, only to be met with "Honey, don't hit Mommy." I have seen kids tell their parents "Shut up" and "Leave me alone" at the top of their lungs -- and they are not put in check. I shake my head knowing it's only going to get worse from here.
If I'm sounding a bit judgmental, I assure you I am not alone in my judgment.

Remember that couple that was kicked off an AirTran flight for being unable to control their 3-year-old back in 2007? The child threw a tantrum, refused to get in her seat and delayed the flight by 15 minutes. In a subsequent interview with "Good Morning America," the mother talked about how much more understanding the passengers were compared to the crew that removed the family. That may be true -- but I'm also willing to bet plenty of passengers were happy to have a much quieter flight. An AirTran spokesperson estimated 95% of the 9,000 e-mails the airline received were supportive of taking the family off the plane, according to MSNBC.

Responding to complaints about crying babies keeping people awake, Malaysia Airlines decided to ban infants from first class in some of its flights. I don't know about you but I would gladly support an airline or restaurant that didn't make someone else's yelling, screaming, kicking offspring my problem. And there are kid-free cruises and resorts for a reason.

Children are wonderful but they are not the center of the universe. The sooner their parents make them understand that, the better off we all will be.
This is the part of child-rearing people don't like to discuss, because socially, it's not OK to dislike kids. The ugly truth is it's the spineless parents who parade their undisciplined children around like royalty that make people dislike kids.

Parents who expect complete strangers to just deal with it are not doing anyone, including their children, any favors. They are actually making things worse. Not only are their children allowed to interrupt social events and settings when they are young, but they often grow into disruptive forces in the classrooms later. And nobody likes them for that.

I covered education for years and one of the biggest complaints from teachers was about the amount of time they spent disciplining students. Their threats were empty because parents sided with their kids. And, of course, the use of corporal punishment in the classroom is seriously frowned upon, and even punished.

Spanking is not a cure, and should not be the first resort, but I don't think it should automatically be taken off the table when dealing with small kids. We're so preoccupied with protecting children from disappointment and discomfort that we're inadvertently excusing them from growing up.
A young child slapping his or her parent's hand away in defiance is not cute, it's disrespectful. In my house, growing up, that would have earned much more than "the look" from my mother.

If I sound a bit old-school, I am. If I'm coming across as a bit of an ogre, so be it.

As a parent, I can empathize with how difficult raising children can be. There are challenges, especially within the framework of divorce, when parental guilt can sometimes blur what should be the best decision.

But I don't believe making a child's wishes top priority is a demonstration of love. Nor do I believe I, or the rest of the world, should act as a surrogate parents for somebody's bad-ass kids.

You wanted them, deal with them.

OneSickPsycho · 07-07-2011, 12:48 PM

The video is fantastic.

Particle Man · 07-07-2011, 12:53 PM

I'm so sick of spanking being taboo. It shouldn't be the first resort but it only takes once or twice for the message to set in when it's done correctly. I'll add the other side to this: you want me to be an effective parent? Stay the fuck out of it and let me be one. If my methods differ from yours, tough shit.

derf · 07-07-2011, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Particle Man

I'm so sick of spanking being taboo. It shouldn't be the first resort but it only takes once or twice for the message to set in when it's done correctly. I'll add the other side to this: you want me to be an effective parent? Stay the fuck out of it and let me be one. If my methods differ from yours, tough shit.

Spoken like a parent who knows whats up

Archren · 07-07-2011, 12:56 PM

The comments on the article make me laugh. Some people agree... but one of the dissenters apparently lets her kids build forts out of rolls of paper towels in a grocery store.

Seriously?

Particle Man · 07-07-2011, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archren

The comments on the article make me laugh. Some people agree... but one of the dissenters apparently lets her kids build forts out of rolls of paper towels in a grocery store.

Seriously?

Yeah, not fucking happening. My kid knows better.

Hell, when I was growing up I didn't even consider something like that - the implied ass beating was enough to keep us from even having the thought cross our minds.

azoomm · 07-07-2011, 01:29 PM

I recently told a child [in a BAR] to go back to his table. He was allowed to wander through the place to go to the bathroom unattended. He had stopped by our table to ask what a beer tower was. After he yelled at me, that he had asked me a question. My simple reply was "Nobody likes you, go back to your table"

He left. And, his parents magically whisked him away when he went back to the table to complain that I wouldn't answer his question. Yes, we heard him across the room... little fucker. He was about 7. I wanted to cunt-punch his parents.

KSGregman · 07-07-2011, 01:44 PM

My favorite is the clueless, helpless look shit parents give when their kid(s) act like assholes in public...you know, the "its not my fault!"look...

Hey..dumb Fuck...if its not YOUR fucking fault, who's fault is it?! Sickening to see a supposed adult get bullied by a child. I swear to god there should be some kinda aptitude test before people are allowed to breed.

skiergirl · 07-07-2011, 02:11 PM

That should be printed and handed out at the hospital when you take your kid home..call it a guidebook on how to not be THAT asshole parent.

Particle Man · 07-07-2011, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skiergirl

That should be printed and handed out at the hospital when you take your kid home..call it a guidebook on how to not be THAT asshole parent.

that would be awesome

07-07-2011, 12:38 PM	#1
azoomm moderator chick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hill Country TX Moto: Pasta Rockets Posts: 8,917	Nobody likes your kids... Finally, someone is speaking out. http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/0...ids/index.html Grand Rapids, Michigan (CNN) -- If you're the kind of parent who allows your 5-year-old to run rampant in public places like restaurants, I have what could be some rather disturbing news for you. I do not love your child. The rest of the country does not love your child either. And the reason why we're staring at you every other bite is not because we're acknowledging some sort of mutual understanding that kids will be kids but rather we want to kill you for letting your brat ruin our dinner. Or our plane ride. Or trip to the grocery store. Or the other adult-oriented establishments you've unilaterally decided will serve as an extension of your toddler's playpen because you lack the fortitude to properly discipline them, in public and at home. And we know you don't discipline them at home because you don't possess "the look." If you had "the look," you wouldn't need to say "sit down" a thousand times. If you had "the look," you wouldn't need to say much of anything at all. But this nonverbal cue needs to be introduced early and reinforced diligently with consequences for transgressions, just like potty training. And whenever a kid throws a temper tantrum in the middle of the shopping mall it's just as bad as his soiling his pants to spite his parents, and it stinks just as much. If you had 'the look,' you wouldn't need to say 'sit down' a thousand times. I have seen a small child slap her mother in the face with an open hand, only to be met with "Honey, don't hit Mommy." I have seen kids tell their parents "Shut up" and "Leave me alone" at the top of their lungs -- and they are not put in check. I shake my head knowing it's only going to get worse from here. If I'm sounding a bit judgmental, I assure you I am not alone in my judgment. Remember that couple that was kicked off an AirTran flight for being unable to control their 3-year-old back in 2007? The child threw a tantrum, refused to get in her seat and delayed the flight by 15 minutes. In a subsequent interview with "Good Morning America," the mother talked about how much more understanding the passengers were compared to the crew that removed the family. That may be true -- but I'm also willing to bet plenty of passengers were happy to have a much quieter flight. An AirTran spokesperson estimated 95% of the 9,000 e-mails the airline received were supportive of taking the family off the plane, according to MSNBC. Responding to complaints about crying babies keeping people awake, Malaysia Airlines decided to ban infants from first class in some of its flights. I don't know about you but I would gladly support an airline or restaurant that didn't make someone else's yelling, screaming, kicking offspring my problem. And there are kid-free cruises and resorts for a reason. Children are wonderful but they are not the center of the universe. The sooner their parents make them understand that, the better off we all will be. This is the part of child-rearing people don't like to discuss, because socially, it's not OK to dislike kids. The ugly truth is it's the spineless parents who parade their undisciplined children around like royalty that make people dislike kids. Parents who expect complete strangers to just deal with it are not doing anyone, including their children, any favors. They are actually making things worse. Not only are their children allowed to interrupt social events and settings when they are young, but they often grow into disruptive forces in the classrooms later. And nobody likes them for that. I covered education for years and one of the biggest complaints from teachers was about the amount of time they spent disciplining students. Their threats were empty because parents sided with their kids. And, of course, the use of corporal punishment in the classroom is seriously frowned upon, and even punished. Spanking is not a cure, and should not be the first resort, but I don't think it should automatically be taken off the table when dealing with small kids. We're so preoccupied with protecting children from disappointment and discomfort that we're inadvertently excusing them from growing up. A young child slapping his or her parent's hand away in defiance is not cute, it's disrespectful. In my house, growing up, that would have earned much more than "the look" from my mother. If I sound a bit old-school, I am. If I'm coming across as a bit of an ogre, so be it. As a parent, I can empathize with how difficult raising children can be. There are challenges, especially within the framework of divorce, when parental guilt can sometimes blur what should be the best decision. But I don't believe making a child's wishes top priority is a demonstration of love. Nor do I believe I, or the rest of the world, should act as a surrogate parents for somebody's bad-ass kids. You wanted them, deal with them. __________________ We have enough youth. How about a fountain of "smart"? Come Play at the Track!! http://www.elitetrackdays.com

07-07-2011, 12:53 PM	#3
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	I'm so sick of spanking being taboo. It shouldn't be the first resort but it only takes once or twice for the message to set in when it's done correctly. I'll add the other side to this: you want me to be an effective parent? Stay the fuck out of it and let me be one. If my methods differ from yours, tough shit. __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

07-07-2011, 12:56 PM	#5
Archren Sham WOW Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ATX Moto: 2007 Ducati 1098 Posts: 2,741	The comments on the article make me laugh. Some people agree... but one of the dissenters apparently lets her kids build forts out of rolls of paper towels in a grocery store. Seriously? __________________ Photography "The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time. It was impossible." - Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

07-07-2011, 01:29 PM	#7
azoomm moderator chick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hill Country TX Moto: Pasta Rockets Posts: 8,917	I recently told a child [in a BAR] to go back to his table. He was allowed to wander through the place to go to the bathroom unattended. He had stopped by our table to ask what a beer tower was. After he yelled at me, that he had asked me a question. My simple reply was "Nobody likes you, go back to your table" He left. And, his parents magically whisked him away when he went back to the table to complain that I wouldn't answer his question. Yes, we heard him across the room... little fucker. He was about 7. I wanted to cunt-punch his parents. __________________ We have enough youth. How about a fountain of "smart"? Come Play at the Track!! http://www.elitetrackdays.com

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07-07-2011, 12:48 PM	#2
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	The video is fantastic.

07-07-2011, 01:44 PM	#8
KSGregman Get Fit...or Get OUT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KS Moto: 07 M109-R Posts: 1,993	My favorite is the clueless, helpless look shit parents give when their kid(s) act like assholes in public...you know, the "its not my fault!"look... Hey..dumb Fuck...if its not YOUR fucking fault, who's fault is it?! Sickening to see a supposed adult get bullied by a child. I swear to god there should be some kinda aptitude test before people are allowed to breed.

07-07-2011, 02:11 PM	#9
skiergirl Gixxer Girl Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kyle, TX Moto: 05 GSXR 750 & 06 YZ250F Posts: 1,424	That should be printed and handed out at the hospital when you take your kid home..call it a guidebook on how to not be THAT asshole parent.