If you have not crashed: What does it mean???

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by SteveP

I've had a couple drops at <1mph and a scary off road excursion a few weeks ago. I'm a very conservative street rider. When I see a turn the first thing I'm thinking is where is the dirt, gaurd rail, decreasing radius, etc.

Oh I'm not saying that I've never crashed or had close calls! Fuck, I drive like an idiot most of the time and deserve to crash! I'm lucky to make it home without crashing almost everyday. I'm saying that IF I didn't ride that way and/or if I owned a Rebel, I'm pretty sure that my chances of a single vehicle crash would be almost nil and my chances of any crash would be GREATLY reduced, if not eliminated at my skill/experience level.

[pauldun170]

I'm on my second set of fairings....that's all I have to say.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by The Chi

It does depend on your mindset. I didnt say that I think falling over is a crash, tho some people do count it.

FYI-the first person to ever tell me of the 2 types of rider rule was a harley/cruiser rider, who had been riding for 30+ years and never crashed. He still beleived it would happen, and I've seen first hand that it does.

I know that motorcycle accidents "exist" and that anyone CAN have an accident, you are saying that everyone that rides WILL have an accident. I know better... Besides, the only absolute statement I will ever believe in is that "everybody dies", beyond that all bets are off.

[Mr Lefty]

I think it's a combination of luck (cause no ammount of skill is gonna save you from someone pulling out, cutting you off, or a deer in a blind corner)

and skill... to avoid those circumstances that arise where you have the opportunity to avoid them.

the ratio of Skill to Luck changes from person to person. some it's 90% luck... others 90% skill...

but I think it's always a mixture of both.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I'm on my second set of fairings....that's all I have to say.

I don't know how long you've been riding but do you mean to say that it's impossible for anyone, to ride as long as you have on any bike, anywhere in the world without having crashed? Just because you fucked up doesn't mean that everyone will.

[skiergirl]

I have ridden sport bikes for 18 years now and have never 'crashed' I have dropped my bike stopped when I put my foot in gravel/oil whatever, I have dropped it loading it on the trailer, pushing it etc. I do not consider that a crash. I feel a crash is something over 5-10 mph.

I'd like to think it's a combination of many things that account for this fact.
1. 18 years of experience in handling a bike
2. I do not 'push it' to the limit like some people even at that track. I do push and I'm fast enough but I'm not out trying to beat my best time every lap riding to the limit.
3. I do not commute and my street riding is more hill country and as far away from others as I can get so the risk of crashing of mainly on me to control my bike.

I will do everything in my power to NOT crash however I do ride with all gear because I know it can happen and I'm prepared for it when/if it does.

Will I ever crash? probably but then again, maybe not...

[Trip]

Originally Posted by skiergirl

I have dropped my bike stopped when I put my foot in gravel/oil whatever, I have dropped it loading it on the trailer, pushing it etc. I do not consider that a crash. I feel a crash is something over 5-10 mph.

That's like backing a car into a pole. I consider a drop a crash. You had control of the bike and lost control of it, hence a crash.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Trip

That's like backing a car into a pole. I consider a drop a crash. You had control of the bike and lost control of it, hence a crash.

exactly...


now if the bike was blown off the stand by the wind... not your fault...


but if you were in control... lost it... IMO it's a crash

[LeeNetworX]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

No I understand that there were to lanes going your way, I'm just saying that you didn't HAVE to pass the traffic that was, let's face it, going the speed limit. You could have fell into line to the right and never even had this incident. That's all. You were probably speeding but if you weren't.... see what I mean? Anyway, I'm just saying that in some ways you can create your own "luck" by not engaging in certain behaviors.

So you just assumed I was speeding any everyone in the right lane was doing the speed limit and not putting along 10 MPH under. Nice.

[Tmall]

There in is an issue. Ppl deciding that they're get off doesn't count.

Looping a bike doesn't count as a crash because I was going in a straight line and nobody else was involved.

I am now officially a non-crasher!