Which scenario breeds the better rider? - Page 4

No Worries · 11-30-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

...I asked my insurance agent (knowing it was a long shot) if there were any discounts for licensed racers, track day instructors or MSF RiderCoaches & she looked at me like I was a cute little kid asking a cute little question, like "If all the food here is from China, is the water from China too?"

I took the Total Control advanced class and received a discount on my insurance. $1.70, that's 1 percent savings on my total bill. Plus, they didn't believe I took the class. I had to send them a copy of the certificate. I spent a half hour looking for it just to save less than $2. But the class was still worth it.

OreoGaborio · 12-01-2009, 08:03 PM

They offered a discount for having taken the MSF course (and yes you need to prove it with a copy of the completion certificate for auditing purposes), but as I've had my license for more than 6 years I was ineligible for that, as that alone brings your rate down.

I just thought it was funny there were no discounts for actually TEACHING this course :P

Tmall · 12-01-2009, 08:09 PM

Taking the course and teaching aren't very far off from the same skill set.

Parking lot safety and handling just aren't worth any kind of discount in my mind. ymmv

Apoc · 12-01-2009, 08:16 PM

The better riders are born, not bred. Better hand-eye, faster reflexes, ability to read ahead.

I've met people riding their whole lives who werent very good at it. I also know a guy who jumped off dirtbikes and onto a sportbike at 18, and could outride most lifelong riders straight away.

Balls have a lot to do with it too.

Fleck750 · 12-01-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc

The better riders are born, not bred. Better hand-eye, faster reflexes, ability to read ahead.

I've met people riding their whole lives who werent very good at it. I also know a guy who jumped off dirtbikes and onto a sportbike at 18, and could outride most lifelong riders straight away.

Balls have a lot to do with it too.

May be patting myself on the back, but I resemble one of those people. This does not mean I think I'm better than most riders, just means riding came very easily to me.

If I was a few years younger and 8 inches taller, I really think I could wail on a sportbike. But being that I'm middle aged and short, I'll just have to be happy with having big balls.

OreoGaborio · 12-03-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Taking the course and teaching aren't very far off from the same skill set.

Ahhh, interesting point... Not sure if I totally agree but I understand what you're getting at.

But lets take rider skill out of the equation for a second & look at beliefs (for lack of a better word)
Just because one takes a safety course doesn't mean they BELIEVE in being a safe rider.
I see all too many riders (again, regardless of skill level) who have taken & completed the course & get that insurance discount, ride in a blatantly unsafe manner.

Teaching it however, you probably do.
I don't see too many MSF coaches riding crazy on the street.

Anyway, I hope that you would agree that in general, an MSF RiderCoach would be less likely to get into an accident than your average MSF BRC grad.
I just think that the folks that coach the course deserve a little discount as well.

FT BSTRD · 12-03-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

I don't see too many MSF coaches riding crazy on the street.

Anyway, I hope that you would agree that in general, an MSF RiderCoach would be less likely to get into an accident than your average MSF BRC grad.
I just think that the folks that coach the course deserve a little discount as well.

I NEED to introduce you to Barker.

OreoGaborio · 12-03-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

I NEED to introduce you to Barker.

Nice pic!

But that's not necessarily crazy... that's fun!

(wish I had some similar street pics to share, but all I have are pics from the track

)

What I mean by riding crazy, in this case, is riding beyond their limits. I call that "stupid fast"

dReWpY · 12-03-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

I NEED to introduce you to Barker.

that just reminds me of that day with you and chad and barker....

insert evil laugh....

FT BSTRD · 12-04-2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by drewpy

that just reminds me of that day with you and chad and barker....

insert evil laugh....

Thank you Mr. Christmas Tree.

12-01-2009, 08:03 PM	#32
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	They offered a discount for having taken the MSF course (and yes you need to prove it with a copy of the completion certificate for auditing purposes), but as I've had my license for more than 6 years I was ineligible for that, as that alone brings your rate down. I just thought it was funny there were no discounts for actually TEACHING this course :P __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)

12-01-2009, 08:16 PM	#34
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12-01-2009, 08:09 PM	#33
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Taking the course and teaching aren't very far off from the same skill set. Parking lot safety and handling just aren't worth any kind of discount in my mind. ymmv