Cool Military Pictures...

[smileyman]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Skunkworks ftmfw!!!

Honestly I wonder what kind of shit is really out there. The F-117 had use in Vietnam but no one really thinks of those until the Persian-Gulf war in the early 90s. The fucking SR-71 I think had use before Vietnam but wasn't mentioned until much later on and still dominates in top speed (If they were still flying). So I assume there has to be some crazy shit out there.

As for anyone touching hte F-22. I'm not sure if Russia has made any progress past the Mig-25/29(can't recall off the top of my head) and maybe Iran has some fine Sopwith Camels that are slow enough to make a supersonic jet inaffective. But I wonder when is the last time we had a full blown bullets to bullets dog fight.

US fighters play chase with Ruskies occaisionally just like in TopGun but they don't ever get dogfight close. Just hide and seek with the radar. Last real Dogfights between modern fighters were Israeli/Arab affairs.

During the Gulf 1 and 2 we had a few radar kills but as for close in dogfighting not in a long time. Primarily our battlefield intelligence doesn't require eyes on to get a verifycation of a target. AWACS or Satellite has them IDed and then they get killed BVR (beyond visual range). Kinda takes the romance out of it huh?

[Particle Man]

all the pics are insane

Dayum!

And a huge thank you to all service members.

[ceo012384]

Those are fucking sweet.

[Sixxxxer]

Originally Posted by smileyman

US fighters play chase with Ruskies occaisionally just like in TopGun but they don't ever get dogfight close. Just hide and seek with the radar. Last real Dogfights between modern fighters were Israeli/Arab affairs.

During the Gulf 1 and 2 we had a few radar kills but as for close in dogfighting not in a long time. Primarily our battlefield intelligence doesn't require eyes on to get a verifycation of a target. AWACS or Satellite has them IDed and then they get killed BVR (beyond visual range). Kinda takes the romance out of it huh?

Yeah I want fucking Brake Check Have the guy fly over me then blow his ass out of the sky...

Fucking Movies Ruin everything!!

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Skunkworks ftmfw!!!

Honestly I wonder what kind of shit is really out there. The F-117 had use in Vietnam but no one really thinks of those until the Persian-Gulf war in the early 90s. The fucking SR-71 I think had use before Vietnam but wasn't mentioned until much later on and still dominates in top speed (If they were still flying). So I assume there has to be some crazy shit out there.

As for anyone touching hte F-22. I'm not sure if Russia has made any progress past the Mig-25/29(can't recall off the top of my head) and maybe Iran has some fine Sopwith Camels that are slow enough to make a supersonic jet inaffective. But I wonder when is the last time we had a full blown bullets to bullets dog fight.

history nazi in effect...

First flight of the F-117 was around 81. The POC for the tech used flew in 78.

Russia has made great strides in the Mig-29 and Su-27 platforms (spinning off models with different designation Su-32, Su-35, Mig--blah blah) and their big clients such as China and India have utilized tech relationships with other countries (Israel) to combine solid airframes with very good avionics suites.

Iran has mix of dated US French and Russian aircraft (70's early 80's) updated via homegrown solutions with input from Israel, China, Russia and Europe as well as packages from those countries.

Keep in mind that airframes are about the doctrine being applied. Not Airshow nonsense and spec sheets. An ancient airframe is deadly when used properly in the context of the doctrine applied.

Iran for example is not about achieving air superiority because their armed forces are not meant to project power. They are primarily concerned about defense and disruption type activities. Iran's pilots are some of the best low level fliers in the region and their entire philosophy revolves around flying 5 feet off the ground to get at an attacker supply lines.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by smileyman

Last real Dogfights between modern fighters were Israeli/Arab affairs.

Ethiopian Eritrean War,
1998 - 2000

At least one incident where an Ethiopian Su-27 shot down an Entrean Mig-29 using 30mm canon.