Which scenario breeds the better rider? - Page 3

karl_1052 · 11-25-2009, 01:02 PM

Sportbike then cruiser.

I have ridden with a guy on a Maurader 800, and he could keep up to anyone on a sportbike up to about 100mph in the turns.(his bike would not go much faster)

No Worries · 11-25-2009, 01:35 PM

I think it depends more on the rider's location. If someone lived in the middle of Kansas, they may never ride uphill, downhill, or around a curve.

Fleck750 · 11-25-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by No Worries

I think it depends more on the rider's location. If someone lived in the middle of Kansas, they may never ride uphill, downhill, or around a curve.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

But having lived in the Ozarks, I do know what a curve is, and I miss them.

Fleck750 · 11-25-2009, 04:28 PM

I think those that have spent time on both bikes make the best riders.

Having rode both, I can say that my skills are much better than if I had just stayed on a cruiser.

101lifts2 · 11-26-2009, 02:25 AM

^^^Yeah he needs to further define better...better could mean no accidents, ability to go around cones, do figure 8's, lap times at a track etc. etc.

To me a better rider is the one who knows to handle a motorcycle under all conditions.

Smittie61984 · 11-27-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2

To me a better rider is the onr who knows to handle a motorcycle under all conditions the best.

That's what I believe too.

Personally I think if you can handle say a Harley which is heavy and not great at braking or handling and then you go to a more advanced and nimble sportbike they would fair better (once they get use to the bike). A sportbike rider who gets a cruiser may not recognize some dangers that a seasoned cruiser rider would (such as braking earlier).

But I think a lot is seat time in different conditions. I feel I'm a fairly decent rider being I ride rush hour interstate traffic, downtown Atlanta, twisties of the mountains, straights of south georgia, SUV dodging of the suburbs, dodging of deer in the out suburbs and country, all weather and just about any condition you could imagine for the street (including some offroad time on my bike). And I've done it without crashing (of course that could change today) despite many near misses and probalby 20k miles in 2 years of riding.

OreoGaborio · 11-30-2009, 05:01 PM

Depends on what you mean by "better"....

Safer?
or
More skilled?

If it's "safer" then I would probably say cruiser, then sportbike.
but
If it's "more skilled" then I would probably say sportbike, then cruiser.

But that would definitely be more of a TREND than anything else... definitely not the rule.

OreoGaborio · 11-30-2009, 06:04 PM

Amen! Preach on, Brutha Bastard!

OreoGaborio · 12-01-2009, 07:03 PM

They offered a discount for having taken the MSF course (and yes you need to prove it with a copy of the completion certificate for auditing purposes), but as I've had my license for more than 6 years I was ineligible for that, as that alone brings your rate down.

I just thought it was funny there were no discounts for actually TEACHING this course :P

Tmall · 12-01-2009, 07:09 PM

Taking the course and teaching aren't very far off from the same skill set.

Parking lot safety and handling just aren't worth any kind of discount in my mind. ymmv

11-25-2009, 01:02 PM	#1
karl_1052 sergeant hatred Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ottawa Moto: The bus Posts: 2,723	Sportbike then cruiser. I have ridden with a guy on a Maurader 800, and he could keep up to anyone on a sportbike up to about 100mph in the turns.(his bike would not go much faster) __________________ My wife was afraid of the dark...then she saw me naked and now she's afraid of the light.

11-25-2009, 04:28 PM	#4
Fleck750 Spiker bike Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: KCK Moto: KZ750 Posts: 1,629	I think those that have spent time on both bikes make the best riders. Having rode both, I can say that my skills are much better than if I had just stayed on a cruiser. __________________ I ride way too fast to worry about cholesterol. ~Author Unknown

11-26-2009, 02:25 AM	#5
101lifts2 WSB Champion Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Moto: 2009 Kawi ZX6R Posts: 5,570	^^^Yeah he needs to further define better...better could mean no accidents, ability to go around cones, do figure 8's, lap times at a track etc. etc. To me a better rider is the one who knows to handle a motorcycle under all conditions. __________________ Train Hard Ron Paul - 2012 Mark of Excellence GM Last edited by 101lifts2; 11-30-2009 at 03:39 PM..

11-30-2009, 05:01 PM	#7
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	Depends on what you mean by "better".... Safer? or More skilled? If it's "safer" then I would probably say cruiser, then sportbike. but If it's "more skilled" then I would probably say sportbike, then cruiser. But that would definitely be more of a TREND than anything else... definitely not the rule. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)

11-30-2009, 06:04 PM	#8
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	Amen! Preach on, Brutha Bastard! __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)

11-25-2009, 01:35 PM	#2
No Worries Keyboard Racer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mile High City Moto: Old Superbikes Posts: 1,016	I think it depends more on the rider's location. If someone lived in the middle of Kansas, they may never ride uphill, downhill, or around a curve.

12-01-2009, 07:03 PM	#9
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	They offered a discount for having taken the MSF course (and yes you need to prove it with a copy of the completion certificate for auditing purposes), but as I've had my license for more than 6 years I was ineligible for that, as that alone brings your rate down. I just thought it was funny there were no discounts for actually TEACHING this course :P __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)

12-01-2009, 07:09 PM	#10
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Taking the course and teaching aren't very far off from the same skill set. Parking lot safety and handling just aren't worth any kind of discount in my mind. ymmv