New car for me.?.?. UPDATED 2012 Volvo C30 R-design

[derf]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Are you saying they are built on the same platform?

They are all using the ford C1 platform, so the answer is yes, but yes there are multiple engines that are swapped in the different vehicles

ford focus & fusion, mazda 3 & 5, volvo c30 &70 & V50 & S40

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Explain please.

LSD's (limited slip differentials) are supposed to help tame torque steer on a powerful FWD car, as well as help it power out of tight corners. But many of them work poorly. The car boards and magazines would know.

I don't even know if some of those models have them. I believe the Mazdaspeed does.

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by derf

They are all using the ford C1 platform, so the answer is yes, but yes there are multiple engines that are swapped in the different vehicles

ford focus & fusion, mazda 3 & 5, volvo c30 &70 & V50 & S40

Good to know.

But stating the similarity would be like saying a MKZ & Fusion are exactly alike and they just charge $10k more for the MKZ. They share the same platform but even the motors are different.

Originally Posted by Homeslice

LSD's (limited slip differentials) are supposed to help tame torque steer on a powerful FWD car, as well as help it power out of tight corners. But many of them work poorly. The car boards and magazines would know.

I don't even know if some of those models have them. I believe the Mazdaspeed does.

I understand. My HHRSS has one and is still a BIG handfull of power.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I don't even know if some of those models have them. I believe the Mazdaspeed does.

The Mazdaspeed does use a limited slip differential and they also have a proprietary torque management system that helps cut down on wheel spin and torque steer by restricting torque output from the engine while steering.
Don't ask me how that works, Mazda doesn't go into great detail about it either.

[racedoll]

Didn't bother with all 10 pages.. my vote is for a Subaru, either the WRX or Legacy GT. I'd say STi, but you want to be under $30K and this is well over.

[Gas Man]

Yeah I'm not doing a Subi. Too much "me too". I see way too many of them. It's almost like owning a GSXR. Certainly there are allot of them and for good reason, they are great. But I don't want to do that...

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

The Mazdaspeed does use a limited slip differential and they also have a proprietary torque management system that helps cut down on wheel spin and torque steer by restricting torque output from the engine while steering.
Don't ask me how that works, Mazda doesn't go into great detail about it either.

Power/torque is limited in the first 3 gears as well.

[derf]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Good to know.

But stating the similarity would be like saying a MKZ & Fusion are exactly alike and they just charge $10k more for the MKZ. They share the same platform but even the motors are different.

They share something like 50 or 60% of their parts. It the stuff you dont see that makes them the same, the unibody chassis is almost teh same, steering column, suspension, brakes, switches, electric motors, AC system, heater locks, wire harness, fuel tank, pumps etc... All the hidden shit you dont see. So when you pay 30k for a C30 volvo (still an awesome car) all you are really paying for is the cool body shape, motor and interior.

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

Power/torque is limited in the first 3 gears as well.

That is craptistic IMO

Originally Posted by derf

They share something like 50 or 60% of their parts. It the stuff you dont see that makes them the same, the unibody chassis is almost teh same, steering column, suspension, brakes, switches, electric motors, AC system, heater locks, wire harness, fuel tank, pumps etc... All the hidden shit you dont see. So when you pay 30k for a C30 volvo (still an awesome car) all you are really paying for is the cool body shape, motor and interior.

Yeah that part sucks... but happens all too often.

I decided to check top gear about the cars.

They have this cool "car chooser" and it always puts the GTI towards the top under my choices...
http://www.topgear.com/uk/parkinglot...unningCosts:50

Here's the GTI review
http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/verdict

Here's the C30 (not R) review
http://www.topgear.com/uk/volvo/c30/verdict

[Homeslice]

I tried that car chooser but there's no US version. Keeps giving me weird-ass Euro cars you can't buy here.