Speaking of Buell and the AMA/DMG Roadracing Series...

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Originally Posted by Mikey

You are the anti-American.

If you were a real American, you would demand that an American sportbike step up and compete on a level playing field instead of making excuses and calling anyone who doesn't support the racing effort anti-American.

Aw snap!

[Dave]

damn skippy

[marko138]

Hahahahahaha. They don't have to race a lap to earn my business. I don't give a shit who they compete against. I'm still gonna support the Americans.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by marko138

Hahahahahaha. They don't have to race a lap to earn my business. I don't give a shit who they compete against. I'm still gonna support the Americans.

Who makes that nice camera you own?

[marko138]

Not America and not concerned.

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Originally Posted by Rider

Who makes that nice camera you own?

Or his TV, stereo, car, watch, etc, etc, etc.... I've had that argument many times with my soon to be ex-friends when I switched from Harley to Yamaha. I can't keep buying "American" (which Harley isn't btw) if they are going to be more expensive and give less reliability and performance. I understand that they are much better these days (mostly because they gave up on a lot of their inferior American suppliers) but...

[Rsv1000R]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Or his TV, stereo, car, watch, etc, etc, etc.... I've had that argument many times with my soon to be ex-friends when I switched from Harley to Yamaha. I can't keep buying "American" (which Harley isn't btw) if they are going to be more expensive and give less reliability and performance. I understand that they are much better these days (mostly because they gave up on a lot of their inferior American suppliers) but...

Harley is American (regardless of where the parts come from), and I didn't mind paying a bit more for mine because the resale will preserve most of any extra paid.

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Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

Harley is American (regardless of where the parts come from), and I didn't mind paying a bit more for mine because the resale will preserve most of any extra paid.

And it's guys like you that have kept them in business regardless of what kind of shit bikes they've produced... Again I understand that their quality has improved and sure when they promise to buy back a bike for what you paid for it, you can't go wrong... Unfortunately, I don't buy a motorcycle as an investment, I want to ride. I want to get up in the morning and put the key in and KNOW that it's going to start. I want to have the best performance in that class WITHOUT having to spend another $5-10,000 on transmission/engine upgrades. I didn't want to wait two years for a bike that was designed 10 years ago using 50 year old technology. Plus pay 1 1/2 as much money... To each their own but to accuse me of being "un-American" because I won't support a company that sells crap (imho) just because they're "assembled" in this country is bullshit!

[Rsv1000R]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

And it's guys like you that have kept them in business regardless of what kind of shit bikes they've produced... Again I understand that their quality has improved and sure when they promise to buy back a bike for what you paid for it, you can't go wrong... Unfortunately, I don't buy a motorcycle as an investment, I want to ride. I want to get up in the morning and put the key in and KNOW that it's going to start. I want to have the best performance in that class WITHOUT having to spend another $5-10,000 on transmission/engine upgrades. I didn't want to wait two years for a bike that was designed 10 years ago using 50 year old technology. Plus pay 1 1/2 as much money... To each their own but to accuse me of being "un-American" because I won't support a company that sells crap (imho) just because they're "assembled" in this country is bullshit!

I didn't call you un-american. They did buy a bike back for what I paid for it. And I didn't buy it as an investment, I bought it to ride, But I also know that when I do decide to sell it it will have been cheap to own. Not cheap to buy, cheap to own.
Mine runs fine, only time it didn't start I flooded it. And I put slip-on and a carb on it. Runs fine, probably making 70-75 hp, 80-90 tq. The stock carb and intake looks to be really small for the engines size.

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Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

I didn't call you un-american. They did buy a bike back for what I paid for it. And I didn't buy it as an investment, I bought it to ride, But I also know that when I do decide to sell it it will have been cheap to own. Not cheap to buy, cheap to own.
Mine runs fine, only time it didn't start I flooded it. And I put slip-on and a carb on it. Runs fine, probably making 70-75 hp, 80-90 tq. The stock carb and intake looks to be really small for the engines size.

I didn't mean to imply that you called me un-American but you broke into the last micro-debate sparked by Marko's insistence that I am not patriotic because I don't support Buell/HD in AMA racing. Once again I understand that HD has improved since I last owned one (mid 70s to early 80s models) but in many ways things have stayed the same. That many people still buy them because they are "American", for an investment or to partake in a specific lifestyle and not because they have the best value/quality. I am certain that if I could get another '88 V-Max, it would surpass a brand new 2009 HD Sportster 1200 in every meaningful category.