ET's/Aliens yes or no? - Page 17

KSGregman · 08-06-2010, 03:33 PM

What is time? What is gravity? What gives "things" mass?

All interesting questions...it's apparent that our understanding of these concepts is incomplete at best....particularly what is mass? The mass that we can "see" does not fulfill the mass required to make the observable universe move in the way we predict it should. So where is the "extra mass" required to make the system move in the predicted way? The "plug" in the equations for now is dark matter....but no one can prove it even exists...they only infer that it must exist for the existing framework to be correct. What happens if something is discovered in either the LHC or it's successor that proves the existing framework is wrong?

Papa_Complex · 08-06-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

If they travelled below the speed of light, how would they get anywhere important before dying?

They didn't travel at below the speed of light.

http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Space_travel

Homeslice · 08-06-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

They didn't travel at below the speed of light.

http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Space_travel

6doublefive321 says they did.

Amber Lamps · 08-06-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the chi

But AC didnt predict the end of the world in 2012, I beleive it was the Mayan calendar...

Look again... I didn't say he did. He's on the 2012 doomsday bandwagon now.

Smittie61984 · 08-06-2010, 07:51 PM

I believe the odds of other intelligent life (or life on the level of fish and above) are the same as a tornado going through a junk yard and building a functioning Space Shuttle. But I do believe those odds are good enough in our infinite vastness of space and stars to support life. Now wether they can travel to other planets or not I don't know.

But if they manage to come here I think they'd probably learn all that htey could about us before they made contact which I'm sure we would do too if we were able to make it to another system with life on our level.

And becuase I always felt ET was pretty retarded for a space traveler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru6_9FYoIRs

Then again maybe he's smarter than we thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpkyiVFBok

6doublefive321 · 08-07-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

6doublefive321 says they did.

There is a significant difference between the original novels and the prequels. In the original novels, Herbert left it very vague as to how the travel worked, just that it did and that it required a navigator or a computer (computers / artificial minds were banned). In the prequels, the authors elaborated more with the Holtzman engines (which Holtzman didn't perfect). I may have misspoke about relativistic speeds, but nowhere in the original novels is "folding space" brought up. That term, I think, was invented by Lynch in his adaption of the original Dune novel. Lynch fucked up a lot of concepts from the novel which are commonly mistaken as original concepts. The whole "sound as a weapon" was the most ludicrous.

In the original novels, there were references made to "flying through stars and exploding" if a navigator wasn't sufficiently under the influence of the spice. This assumption does not support the concept of "folding space", which would preclude the dangers of flying into anything. In the later novels, the danger of collisions were dropped for the danger of getting lost between physical universes, which is compatible with the idea of "folding space".

Wow. I need to get a life and go shopping for a new pocket protector.

Papa_Complex · 08-07-2010, 06:41 AM

You're right that they didn't actually mention the concept of folding space; they only hinted at how travel was accomplished. The "Weirding Module" thing made me want to puke. "The Weirding Way" was martial arts. Ornithopters are supposed to fly by flapping their 'wings' so then those wings are tiny little stubs, there's obviously been a screw-up.

Rangerscott · 08-08-2010, 10:42 PM

If aliens came to earth, some higher ups find a reason to convince everyone to kill them just like we have done for centuries.

Dave · 08-09-2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangerscott

If aliens came to earth, some higher ups find a reason to convince everyone to kill them just like we have done for centuries.

Even if they are hot catgirls

Rangerscott · 08-09-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Even if they are hot catgirls

Stop watching anime porn.

08-06-2010, 07:51 PM	#165
Smittie61984 I give Squids a bad name Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fly Over State Moto: 1996 CBR600 F3 (AKA the Flying Turd) Posts: 4,742	I believe the odds of other intelligent life (or life on the level of fish and above) are the same as a tornado going through a junk yard and building a functioning Space Shuttle. But I do believe those odds are good enough in our infinite vastness of space and stars to support life. Now wether they can travel to other planets or not I don't know. But if they manage to come here I think they'd probably learn all that htey could about us before they made contact which I'm sure we would do too if we were able to make it to another system with life on our level. And becuase I always felt ET was pretty retarded for a space traveler. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru6_9FYoIRs Then again maybe he's smarter than we thought http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpkyiVFBok __________________ lifts - R.I.P.

08-07-2010, 06:41 AM	#167
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	You're right that they didn't actually mention the concept of folding space; they only hinted at how travel was accomplished. The "Weirding Module" thing made me want to puke. "The Weirding Way" was martial arts. Ornithopters are supposed to fly by flapping their 'wings' so then those wings are tiny little stubs, there's obviously been a screw-up. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

08-06-2010, 03:33 PM	#161
KSGregman Get Fit...or Get OUT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KS Moto: 07 M109-R Posts: 1,993	What is time? What is gravity? What gives "things" mass? All interesting questions...it's apparent that our understanding of these concepts is incomplete at best....particularly what is mass? The mass that we can "see" does not fulfill the mass required to make the observable universe move in the way we predict it should. So where is the "extra mass" required to make the system move in the predicted way? The "plug" in the equations for now is dark matter....but no one can prove it even exists...they only infer that it must exist for the existing framework to be correct. What happens if something is discovered in either the LHC or it's successor that proves the existing framework is wrong?

08-08-2010, 10:42 PM	#168
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	If aliens came to earth, some higher ups find a reason to convince everyone to kill them just like we have done for centuries.