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Old 12-21-2011, 08:03 AM   #11
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Since Lesnar reacts horribly to getting hit
This is why I think Overeem could win by KO. Lesnar still shows a tendency to shy away from getting hit. BUT if Lesnar comes out charging for the takedown from the bell, I think he stands a much better chance.

Either way, I am really looking forward to this fight. I actually think they should make a Super Heavyweight Division for guys like this. A human being having to cut weight to make a 265lb limit is mind boggling to me.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:37 AM   #12
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This is why I think Overeem could win by KO. Lesnar still shows a tendency to shy away from getting hit. BUT if Lesnar comes out charging for the takedown from the bell, I think he stands a much better chance.

Either way, I am really looking forward to this fight. I actually think they should make a Super Heavyweight Division for guys like this. A human being having to cut weight to make a 265lb limit is mind boggling to me.
TKO certainly, but I doubt KO... Carwin and Cain both SMASHED him and couldn't KO him... 'Reem may be a bit more accurate than Carwin and more powerful than Cain, but Brock's got a HELL of a chin... he just panics when someone catches him...

And I think that will be Lesnar's game plan anyway... at least it should be... 'Reem has known cardio issues and Lesnar being the genetic freak he is, has amazing cardio for a guy his size... He should push the pace and bull rush him early... don't let him find his rhythm and either get him down or up against the cage...

And I HATE the idea of a SHW division... IMHO, since flyweights have just been added, the next weight class should be a cruiser weight... something between 205 and 265... like a 230 class or something. 9/10 current heavyweights could certainly make it... Regardless, the sport just doesn't warrant another big man division yet.

The competition beyond 205 just isn't deep enough so that skill/speed does not always overcome size/power... In all of the other divisions, with a couple of rare exceptions (Frankie Edgar), you have to be highly skilled AND cut weight to be competitive. This is especially true at 205... However, there are still HW fighters out there who should be fighting at 205... or even 185 (Fedor, Roy Nelson, etc IMHO)... You don't really see that very often in other divisions.

If they opened up a cruiser weight class now, the guys who'd fit there wouldn't necessarily benefit. JDS, Cain, etc could certainly make that weight, but why would they? The competition at HW would actually be easier... all the faster guys would be at 230 and all the slow fat guys would be at 265...

That's also my beef with the SHW class... I mean, do we really want to see two Butterbean's in there 95% of the time? Cause that's what you'd get... The HW division is just starting to get guys who are in peak physical condition, but most still gas early... SHW would be fun to watch for about 2min... then you'd have 2.5 more rounds of guys sucking wind and being ineffective... Like the fights in Denver - Browne/Broughton, Hunt/Rothwell - those fights could have been AWESOME if it wasn't for the lack of cardio combined with the altitude (WTF was UFC thinking - two HW fights in Denver????).

I'd say we'll be ready for a cruiser weight within 10 years as more high level athletes choose the path of MMA... SHW... I'm not sure we'll ever see that happen... If we did... guys like Lesnar wouldn't be in it... Why? Because Lesnar can comfortably make 265 AND amateur wrestling is based around that... I mean, sure you could probably find a few Shaq's around the world who would be interested, but not nearly enough to fill a division.

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Old 12-21-2011, 11:59 AM   #13
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I've got Cerrone over Diaz and Lesnar over Reem.
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:19 PM   #14
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I've got Cerrone over Diaz and Lesnar over Reem.
I think you are correct.


To OSP's post, I think the idea of a cruiserweight division could be very good. I just don't think HW's should have to cut weight. If dude can perform @ 285, let 'em.
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:58 PM   #15
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I've got Cerrone over Diaz and Lesnar over Reem.
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I think you are correct.


To OSP's post, I think the idea of a cruiserweight division could be very good. I just don't think HW's should have to cut weight. If dude can perform @ 285, let 'em.
Yeah, but there's gotta be a limit...

Otherwise you'll get a guy like Shaq some day who's athletic and reasonbly skilled, fighting a guy who weighs 230lbs... Fuck that.

It's set up like amatuer wrestling and for now, it should be.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:12 PM   #16
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Frank Mir agreeing with me:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...reem_ufc122211
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:30 PM   #17
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I guess that makes you right, then.
I actually had a response to your amateur wrestling weight class thought. When I was in college, the NCAA HW division was from 183 to 285lbs. I figured it may have been changed since then, but I was too lazy to google it. Maybe tomorrow....
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I guess that makes you right, then.
I actually had a response to your amateur wrestling weight class thought. When I was in college, the NCAA HW division was from 183 to 285lbs. I figured it may have been changed since then, but I was too lazy to google it. Maybe tomorrow....
Doesn't mean that I am right, just means that Frank Mir thinks so...

Yeah, NCAA is set up like that... Olympics is 211-264... What I was getting at was the fact that they are set up with a huge void from the previous weight class to the max of the HW class.
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They'll just need a Super Heavy-weight division.....and an Absolute division too IMO!
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:56 PM   #20
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Just read it:
Don't really disagree with any of that. All I'm saying, is if Overeem clips him, it could be lights out. Do I think it will happen? Damn, I hope not...

BTW, I don't really see Mir getting another big win in the HW division. I think breaking Nog's arm was the last for him.
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