Malories Law...

[derf]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

Actually, I believe it is saying that you can't carry a passenger unless you're 18 and have had your M license for two years OR the passenger is 18 (or a motorcycle safety instructor).

Nope, the first line of paragraph 2:

The passenger on a sportbike is defined as one who is 18 or older with an "M" endorsement

the operator:

and unless: (1) the operator: (A) is at least 18 years of age; and (B) has had a Class M license for at least two years

and back to the passenger:

(2) the other person: (A) is at least 18 years of age and holds a Class M license

From those 3 sentences I understand that the rider needs to have 2 years experience with an M endorsement, be 18 or older, the passenger needs to be 18 or older and also have an M endorsement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats what I read from it.

[Gas Man]

Why would a person who can ride their own, want to be a passenger?

Uma does it sometimes, but it's abnormal for her or anybody else.

[fujimoh]

I read Sec. 545.4161 as either the operator OR the "other person" (Passenger?) is 18, with an M license or MSF instructor.

I can't believe they would make it illegal for a parent to take their child for ice cream...but Texas is a red state after all

[Rangerscott]

I wish my VFR was in the "touring" category. I don't like paying sport insurance.


You know, I had a friend die because he wasn't buckled up. I still think it should be a person's choice to buckle up.

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by derf

Nope, the first line of paragraph 2:



the operator:



and back to the passenger:



From those 3 sentences I understand that the rider needs to have 2 years experience with an M endorsement, be 18 or older, the passenger needs to be 18 or older and also have an M endorsement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats what I read from it.

If you read the article from the superbike blog, then yeah that's what it says. But it's wrong, based on what I read from the bill itself. The text of the bill says those provisions for the passenger only apply if the operator is under 18, or hasn't had their M license for two years.

[derf]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

If you read the article from the superbike blog, then yeah that's what it says. But it's wrong, based on what I read from the bill itself. The text of the bill says those provisions for the passenger only apply if the operator is under 18, or hasn't had their M license for two years.

I still think that it says both need a M endorsment. I took the previous post from the blog, this is what I read from the capitol.state.tx.us site:

Sec. 545.4161. OPERATION OF SPORT BIKE. (a) In addition to
the requirements and prohibitions under Section 545.416, an
operator may not carry another person on a sport bike unless the
sport bike is designed to carry more than one person and:
(1) the operator:
(A) is at least 18 years of age; and
(B) has had a Class M license for at least two
years; or
(2) the other person:
(A) is at least 18 years of age and holds a Class
M license; or
(B) is a motorcycle operator training and safety
course instructor certified under Chapter 662.
(b) An operator of a sport bike shall ensure that a
passenger on the sport bike complies with all department
regulations relating to motorcycle safety.

It seems pretty stupid to me, but from what I'm reading the passenger needs to be 18 and have an M endorsement.

[anthonyk]

It's all pretty stupid, for sure (and I'll be writing my senator). But it's the "or" between sections 1 and 2 that's important. You can carry a passenger if you meet all the criteria in 1, or if your passenger meets one of the criteria in 2.

Sec. 545.4161. OPERATION OF SPORT BIKE. (a) In addition to
the requirements and prohibitions under Section 545.416, an
operator may not carry another person on a sport bike unless the
sport bike is designed to carry more than one person and:

(1) the operator:
(A) is at least 18 years of age; and
(B) has had a Class M license for at least two
years;

or

(2) the other person:
(A) is at least 18 years of age and holds a Class
M license; or
(B) is a motorcycle operator training and safety
course instructor certified under Chapter 662.

(b) An operator of a sport bike shall ensure that a
passenger on the sport bike complies with all department
regulations relating to motorcycle safety.

[derf]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

It's all pretty stupid, for sure (and I'll be writing my senator). But it's the "or" between sections 1 and 2 that's important. You can carry a passenger if you meet all the criteria in 1, or if your passenger meets one of the criteria in 2.

point taken, I guess I missed the OR part. But that doesnt make sense at all, the rider already has to have an M endorsement, why require the passenger to have a liscense if the rider doesnt, seems kinda stupid to me.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Why would a person who can ride their own, want to be a passenger?

Uma does it sometimes, but it's abnormal for her or anybody else.

Originally Posted by derf

point taken, I guess I missed the OR part. But that doesnt make sense at all, the rider already has to have an M endorsement, why require the passenger to have a liscense if the rider doesnt, seems kinda stupid to me.

so you can learn to ride with an instructor riding pillion to "guide" you. Not many places still teach riding like that (and not a lot of people willing to do so either) but it works at the track...

[derf]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

so you can learn to ride with an instructor riding pillion to "guide" you. Not many places still teach riding like that (and not a lot of people willing to do so either) but it works at the track...

ride pillion to someone who doesnt know how to ride? screw that, thats just plain stupid