FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness study,

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Rider

a 300gr JHP will produce 1500-ftlb. Where does hydrostatic shock begin? 2000+ FPS?

Hydrostatic shock probably begins at around 2200FPS at the point of impact.

[the chi]

Originally Posted by Amorok

Srysly? You gotta be on crack to even call BS on anything OTB has to say.

Get a grip dude, OTB is like the end all be all of knowledge.

Newbs...

I gotta agree with him as well. With the new technology and the nasty things they are doing to todays munitions, a smaller round with a nasty surprise can have more impact than yesterdays larger but plainer bullets...

20 years ago they didnt have rounds that would shred through the body upon impact for example...

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by The Chi

20 years ago they didnt have rounds that would shred through the body upon impact for example...

Sorry, Rae, MagSafe and Glaser Safety Slugs have been available since the 1970s.

[the chi]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Sorry, Rae, MagSafe and Glaser Safety Slugs have been available since the 1970s.

I stand corrected, thank you dear...

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by The Chi

I stand corrected, thank you dear...

But you are right about handgun ammo technology had improved considerably since. The power is still pissant, but the new rounds do try to maximize the best that they have. The deformations are larger yet the bullets don't shred their jackets and leads like they used to thus they tend to both penetrate AND expand more reliably than before.

And nowadays there's a new class of frangible ammo that functions like regular bullets but shatter upon impacting hard surfaces so that they don't overpenetrate if missed their targets. The problem with the MagSafe and Glasers was that because they break into pieces upon impact, sometimes they don't penetrate deep enough to reach vital organs. Not that I'd want to receive a shot from a MagSafe or Glaser slug.

[the chi]

My uncle is a gun nut, as is my guy, and btw the 2 of them they have some NASTY looking rounds!!

I dont know the tech terms, but I've seen the ones you speak of, as well as the ones that basically "flower" upon impact and keep spinning, like a broadhead arrow but worse. I cant imagine being shot with some of these things, makes me cringe to even think on it.

Rest assured, rednecks are protecting themselves with this kinda stuff, so home invaders should remember that one...my familys whole philosophy is stop ya with one shot, no matter WHAT they shoot ya with!

[Amorok]

[the chi]

Originally Posted by Amorok

Awww, isnt that cute?! What a neat little poster.

FYI, my preferred handgun IS the .45, the heft and weight it better for me than a 9mm. I just dont deny that smaller guns can cause stopping damage too, especially with the proper ammo.

[Amorok]

Well, I will say that I've moved to a 40 short and weak for a carry gun when I wear a jacket, so I've actually changed my round as well. Of course, before I introduced the 40 into the lineup my options were between a .45 ACP or a .357 magnum J-frame, so I've had a small round before, but it was still a big caliber just because of the power. I'm sorry, but I've seen what various rounds will do to people, way more than I'd like. If you can shoot a 9mm well and it works for you, by all means stick with what works. But I think something bigger will work better.

[ericr]

Everyone can argue what caliber's better till they're blue in the face and there's no real imperical evidence to possitively support any one caliber being superior except for one....and that's the accurately fired one. If you can hit your target ( I mean area, not person) the caliber you fire most accurately is the best one for you.
And as far as the old .45 vs 9mm...I'll take 18 over 8, I'm as accurate with either and I'll take the extra rounds for insurance because I know I'm not perfect. My peferred caliber now is .40 S&W though.