Ooopsies...my bad- Border Patrol shoots someone on Mexican side of border

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by defector

From what I understand, it was a 15 yr old kid throwing rocks at the Border patrol agents.

Mexico asks for probe into teen's shooting death by U.S. border agent
By Arthur Brice, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Shooting followed rock-throwing at Border Patrol agent, FBI says
Teen's death near border was second in less than two weeks
14-year-old boy was killed by U.S. border agent, Mexican official says
FBI confirms Border Patrol agent in El Paso, Texas, shot someone
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(CNN) -- The Mexican government is requesting a quick and transparent investigation into the fatal shooting by a U.S. Border Patrol agent of a Mexican teen in Ciudad Juarez on Monday night, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

The teen was shot during a rock-throwing incident, Mexican and U.S. officials said.

Mexico "reiterates that the use of firearms to repel a rock attack represents a disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who receive specialized training on the matter," the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday in a news release.

The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks.

Monday night's incident started around 6:30 p.m. when Customs and Border Protection Border Patrol agents responded to a report of a group of suspected illegal immigrants being smuggled into the United States near the Paso del Norte port of entry, FBI Special Agent Andrea Simmons said.

A suspect identified as Oscar Ivan Pineda Ayala was initially detained on the Rio Grande levy, said the FBI, which is leading the investigation.

"Another agent arrived on his bicycle along the cement apron that forms the riverbank on the U.S. side," Simmons said in a release. "That agent detained a second subject, Augustin Alcaraz Reyes, but other subjects ran into Mexico and began to throw rocks at the agent.

"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat," Simmons said. "However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

Simmons told CNN earlier that she did not know whether the person who was shot was on the Mexican or U.S. side of the border, but that the agent never left U.S. territory.

The body was found on the Mexican side of the border, Simmons said.

Ciudad Juarez spokesman Sergio Belmonte identified the dead 14-year-old boy as secondary student Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereca.

Belmonte said Hernandez was shot in the head.

"The young man was not armed," Belmonte said. "He did not have the physical size to threaten anyone. The aggression (by the U.S. agent) is evident."

The shooting occurred underneath the Black Bridge, a railroad span that connects the two countries, the Mexican official said.

The FBI said the "area where this incident occurred is a known high-risk crime area where rocks are regularly thrown at Border Patrol agents and where other assaults have been reported."

The FBI, which has jurisdiction in any assault on a federal officer, is leading the U.S. investigation with assistance from the El Paso Police Department, the Border Patrol and other federal agencies, Simmons said.

The shooting comes less than two weeks after the May 31 death of a Mexican illegal immigrant who had been detained three days earlier by border agents in California.

San Diego police, who are investigating the death of Anastasio Hernandez, said he was beaten with a baton and shot with a stun gun after he became combative. California medical officials ruled his death a homicide.

The investigation in that case continues.

Mexican officials complained Tuesday that they see an increasing trend.

"The growing frequency of this type of event reflects a worrisome increment in the use of excessive force on the part of some border authorities," the Foreign Ministry said.

According to the ministry, the number of Mexicans who have been killed or wounded by U.S. border authorities has increased from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 and 17 so far this year.

Mark Qualia, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said he could not comment because he does not know where the Mexican government obtained its statistics.

But Qualia noted there were 799 assaults on border agents from October 1, 2009, through May 31. There were 745 assaults for the same time period in 2007-08 and 658 for the same span in 2008-09, he said.

Lethal force, he said, is allowed "when an agent is in imminent threat of physical or bodily harm which could cause death or injury or in protection of an innocent third party."

The determination when to use lethal force, Qualia said, is made by each individual agent at the scene.

From October 1 through May 31, he said, Custom and Border Protection agents have used their firearms 31 times.

Rock-throwing can be considered a dangerous assault, Qualia said: "They're not chunking pebbles."

CNN's Nick Castillo contributed to this report.








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[pauldun170]

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[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat," Simmons said. "However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."]

Surrounded and continued to throw rocks... sounds justified to me...

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

"The growing frequency of this type of event reflects a worrisome increment in the use of excessive force on the part of some border authorities," the Foreign Ministry said.

According to the ministry, the number of Mexicans who have been killed or wounded by U.S. border authorities has increased from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 and 17 so far this year.

From October 1 through May 31, he said, Custom and Border Protection agents have used their firearms 31 times.

Rock-throwing can be considered a dangerous assault, Qualia said: "They're not chunking pebbles."
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sounds like they're starting to defend the border a little. good job. that is after all what they're there for.

[Amorok]

Who fucking cares, it's not like there aren't millions more of them. Good for the guy. You know they used to kill Christians by pelting them with rocks, I'd say they were in danger.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Amorok

Who fucking cares, it's not like there aren't millions more of them. Good for the guy. You know they used to kill Christians by pelting them with rocks, I'd say they were in danger.

Yeah it's only a Mexican, I'm sure his mom will have 5 more kids to replace him.

[Amorok]

And they can all live in one apartment with twelve other families!!!! Yay!!!! Racial humor FTW!!!!

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by defector

From what I understand, it was a 15 yr old kid throwing rocks at the Border patrol agents.

Taking lessons from the Palestinians now, are they?

[pauldun170]

I'm guessing the Mexicans have never heard of "stoning", at least in the classical sense.

Yall people know thats how they carry out executions in some places. Throwing rocks..
I don't think its unreasonable for an agent, someone who isn't wearing the type of protective gear such as a helmet or "JC Penny lg cotton pillow" to feel that their life is being threatened when a group of people start throwing rocks.

Unless they can prove that the Mexicans and the Agent agreed to a predefined size and weight rocks (AKA pebble) that would be more of "welt causing" hazard vs the type of rocks used "The Beast" during the scene were Jason Patrick was left by his tank commander and them local bitches started throwing rocks at him until he pulled the hospitality card (shit this is a long sentence) and Afghan custom demanded they give him soup and a hand job...

Wait what were we talking about?

Oh yeah..

"The Beast" was an awesome movie.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Amorok

Who fucking cares, it's not like there aren't millions more of them. Good for the guy. You know they used to kill Christians by pelting them with rocks, I'd say they were in danger.

Oh boy here we go someone, said Christians...

Save it for the war room asshole.
You are going to ruin the thread.