Firefighters let home burn - Page 21

goof2 · 12-14-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Kentucky is seriously backwards, but I'm pretty sure they have courts there. There are any number of ways the fire dept could collect on a contract.

All a court gets you is a judgement. Getting that judgement payed, especially after a person has just lost what is traditionally their most valuable "asset", is a whole other matter. In most cases by the time the fire department shows up any equity in the house has pretty much been burned out, and that is before the fire department goes and dumps a bunch of water in the home.

The no fire insurance/no fire department available conundrum certainly sucks for manufactured homes, but it is only one of many reasons why a manufactured home can be (but isn't always) a poor decision.

derf · 12-15-2011, 12:23 AM

A fire departments job is to prevent death and injury of people, and to prevent the fire from spreading to other places that could possibly kill or injure other people. Saving 'stuff' is actually just a bonus. At least that is the requirements in NJ.

I have no problem with firefighters getting shit burn as long as people are not sacrificed in the process.

Where this is going to go wrong is that some guy its gonna forget to pay his $75 bill, be sleeping when his house burns and nobody is gonna rescue him and he dies along with the 4 handicapped foster children living in his house. They are then found by the fire investigators and there will be a big public out cry aghast inst the fire dept for not doing more, then a law will be paused saying fire fighters arte required to enter a burning house to check for forgetful foster parents and their 4 handicapped foster children. Then a firefighter will die entering an empty house that did not pay their fire bill. The firefighter will have left behind 5 handicapped foster kids, and there will be a huge public outcry against forcing firefighters to go into houses unnecessarily.

Particle Man · 12-15-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by derf

A fire departments job is to prevent death and injury of people, and to prevent the fire from spreading to other places that could possibly kill or injure other people. Saving 'stuff' is actually just a bonus. At least that is the requirements in NJ.

I have no problem with firefighters getting shit burn as long as people are not sacrificed in the process.

Where this is going to go wrong is that some guy its gonna forget to pay his $75 bill, be sleeping when his house burns and nobody is gonna rescue him and he dies along with the 4 handicapped foster children living in his house. They are then found by the fire investigators and there will be a big public out cry aghast inst the fire dept for not doing more, then a law will be paused saying fire fighters arte required to enter a burning house to check for forgetful foster parents and their 4 handicapped foster children. Then a firefighter will die entering an empty house that did not pay their fire bill. The firefighter will have left behind 5 handicapped foster kids, and there will be a huge public outcry against forcing firefighters to go into houses unnecessarily.

I laughed a bit until I realized this is probably EXACTLY what will happen.

Papa_Complex · 12-15-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

All I'm saying is, if I lock myself out of my house. I'd better be damn sure my fees are paid up. Or, I'd have to call a locksmith. Personal responsibility, right?

Some people's kids...

Or you could call the fire department.....

Particle Man · 12-15-2011, 09:46 AM

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Flexin · 12-16-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

I couldn't do it.

Legal/financial shit aside, if I'm there with the means to save somebodies house from burning down, there's no way I could just stand there with my thumb up my ass.

JC

As much as I want to fight the fire, I could stand there. As long as there are no people in there I'm long losing my job which helps support my family because this guy was too cheap to pay the fee.

James

Flexin · 12-16-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Why do you make it sound as if the guy was a welfare scammer? I didn't see anything about a 52" Flat Screen being involved.

Then maybe Rodeo is not the sport for him.

So what you're saying is, if you're poor, fuck you? Nice.

Kentucky is seriously backwards, but I'm pretty sure they have courts there. There are any number of ways the fire dept could collect on a contract.

I didn't see anything in the story about cigarettes either, don't be a hater.

Now imagine this:

You pay your fee every year, like you're supposed to. Your house catches fire, but the 911 operator can't find your records, or someone forgot to enter your fee on the ledger that year. 911 says sorry, you're not on "the list", no water for you.

Anybody else see where this system is tragically flawed?

JC

The system is flawed but thats how it was done back in the day.

I think it should just be in the property tax. It shouldn't be an option.

If there was anything left to save by the time the firefighters got there I'm sure a $15 fire extinguisher could have taken care of it before someone finished making the 911 call.

James

Flexin · 12-16-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

That's even more fucked up.

Your house doesn't qualify for fire insurance, so we're going to make doubly certain you walk away with nothing, by letting it burn.

Brilliant.

JC

They said the place went down in seconds. Its a trailer. They don't do well in fires. There wouldn't have been much to save it the fire was going good before they woke up.

James

goof2 · 12-16-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Flexin

They said the place went down in seconds. Its a trailer. They don't do well in fires. There wouldn't have been much to save it the fire was going good before they woke up.

James

And most everything that would be left to "save" would be destroyed from pouring a large volume of high pressure water on it anyway.

Particle Man · 12-17-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Now imagine this:

You pay your fee every year, like you're supposed to. Your house catches fire, but the 911 operator can't find your records, or someone forgot to enter your fee on the ledger that year. 911 says sorry, you're not on "the list", no water for you.

Anybody else see where this system is tragically flawed?

JC

THAT I can see happening and that's the only point on which I agree.

12-15-2011, 12:23 AM	#202
derf token jewboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man Posts: 10,799	A fire departments job is to prevent death and injury of people, and to prevent the fire from spreading to other places that could possibly kill or injure other people. Saving 'stuff' is actually just a bonus. At least that is the requirements in NJ. I have no problem with firefighters getting shit burn as long as people are not sacrificed in the process. Where this is going to go wrong is that some guy its gonna forget to pay his $75 bill, be sleeping when his house burns and nobody is gonna rescue him and he dies along with the 4 handicapped foster children living in his house. They are then found by the fire investigators and there will be a big public out cry aghast inst the fire dept for not doing more, then a law will be paused saying fire fighters arte required to enter a burning house to check for forgetful foster parents and their 4 handicapped foster children. Then a firefighter will die entering an empty house that did not pay their fire bill. The firefighter will have left behind 5 handicapped foster kids, and there will be a huge public outcry against forcing firefighters to go into houses unnecessarily.