High Fructose Corn Syrup Causes More Weight Gain Than Sugar

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by Avatard

I'll say it again: Make Ethanol with it.

Not to change the subject....but....WHY?!

Why waste that much arable land growing something that is marginally above the break even point for EROEI? (And driving up food prices in the process as land that SHOULD be used to grow crops for human consumption is used to grow a bio source that requires almost as much energy to plant/maintain/harvest/refine as it yields after processing?)

shmike is exactly correct....corn based ethanol is NOT a viable alternative energy source....cut the subsidies on corn...go back to raising productive and economically viable crops.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

shmike is exactly correct....corn based ethanol is NOT a viable alternative energy source....cut the subsidies on corn...go back to raising productive and economically viable crops.

Dude, that's exactly what I was saying. I thought we were supposed to be disagreeing...?

[MILK]

Originally Posted by Avatard

We are effectively subsidizing the erosion of public health. Seems like we're spending money only to make everyone sick, and cost us more money.

I'll say it again: Make Ethanol with it.

I work in the food industry. Ethanol is a freaking joke. We saw prices go up over 200% 2 years ago. It was unreal. I've never seen anything like it in the 15 years I've been in this business. There will never be enough land to make ethanol anything viable unless someone figures out a way to condense it further.

Making ethanol causes farmers to rotate their crops to corn- thus causing a shortage on other crops. That in turn rises the price of wheat for example, which raises your bread pricing, pasta pricing.. I could go on and on.

I still don't understand how it's anyone else's fault for what we put in our bodies. No matter how anything is subsidized. I ate corn chips this afternoon. I just didn't eat the entire bag. Oh and even though I am extremely tired today I still walked 2 and 1/2 miles on my lunch hour. One of the few things I agree with Dr. Laura on is: Eat Less, Move more!

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by MILK

I work in the food industry. Ethanol is a freaking joke. We saw prices go up over 200% 2 years ago. It was unreal. I've never seen anything like it in the 15 years I've been in this business. There will never be enough land to make ethanol anything viable unless someone figures out a way to condense it further.

I still don't understand how it's anyone else's fault for what we put in our bodies. No matter how anything is subsidized. I ate corn chips this afternoon. I just didn't eat the entire bag. Oh and even though I am extremely tired today I still walked 2 and 1/2 miles on my lunch hour. One of the few things I agree with Dr. Laura on is: Eat Less, Move more!

Why does it have to be a fault or a point of blame to change something for the better?

[MILK]

That is exactly my point. The only person responsible for what I eat is ME.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Why does it have to be a fault or a point of blame to change something for the better?

Why does it have to be the responsibility of or legislation by the government to change something for the better?

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by MILK

That is exactly my point. The only person responsible for what I eat is ME.

What about my 6 year old son, who's responsible for what he eats now....and how he learns to feed himself as an adult? Is it his responsibility?

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by MILK

There will never be enough land to make ethanol anything viable unless someone figures out a way to condense it further.

Or figures out a way to grow mass quantities of sugar cane in North America. (Brazil is successful with ethanol as they ARE able to mass produce sugar cane.) Sugar cane ethanol yields a slightly better EROEI than corn based ethanol.

Originally Posted by MILK

I still don't understand how it's anyone else's fault for what we put in our bodies.

This!

Originally Posted by MILK

One of the few things I agree with Dr. Laura on is: Eat Less, Move more!

And this!!

[MILK]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

What about my 6 year old son, who's responsible for what he eats now....and how he learns to feed himself as an adult? Is it his responsibility?

I have an 8 year old. As his MOTHER I am responsible for what he eats. I am responsible for teaching him healthy eating habits too. It is not his responsibility, children would live off candy if we let them!

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by MILK

I have an 8 year old. As his MOTHER I am responsible for what he eats. I am responsible for teaching him healthy eating habits too. It is not his responsibility, children would live off candy if we let them!

If you raised him on candy and McD's what do you think he's going to eat when he grows up and makes his own choices?