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Old 05-14-2011, 08:40 AM   #21
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101. It saddens me to be at the point I am with gm. Especially when I have 2 retired family members from there. So no, camaro isn't an option.

I'm with you, I'm just not impressed by the quality of american vehicles, I've bought a bunch and it seems that japanese cars just seem to last longer without any problems.
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Old 05-14-2011, 09:26 AM   #22
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101. It saddens me to be at the point I am with gm. Especially when I have 2 retired family members from there. So no, camaro isn't an option.

Osp. Ya know. That has always been a dream but where would I stop. Further, I want reliable. Stop would be an old muscle car with new frame, suspension, and fi motor. Its been done many times but not for my price range.

I may check the genesis. Different day, as wife and I have plans later.
I've seen it on the road quite a few times and it is definitely a sharp looking car. Not too many of them so you wont see yourself coming and going. I personally thing the mustang is a better value but if american cars are off your list and you want a new car the Genesis is worth a look. Have you considered used G37's?
The only issue with those is that you are automatically a deuschebag as soon as you turn the engine on and the only station that comes through on the radio is club music.
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Old 05-14-2011, 09:56 AM   #23
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RX8 for your area = suck. Burn a lot of oil, suck in the cold, suck in the snow/ice, and no power till redline.

I'd go w/the speed3. Love that car, and if I was car shopping for myself, that would for sure be on the short list. I know you can get programing to give you full power in the first 3 gears too, not sure if that would be helpful though!

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Old 05-14-2011, 09:58 AM   #24
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I'm with you, I'm just not impressed by the quality of american vehicles, I've bought a bunch and it seems that japanese cars just seem to last longer without any problems.
Don't get it twisted... I'm nixxing off all american cars just GM.

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I've seen it on the road quite a few times and it is definitely a sharp looking car. Not too many of them so you wont see yourself coming and going. I personally thing the mustang is a better value but if american cars are off your list and you want a new car the Genesis is worth a look. Have you considered used G37's?
The only issue with those is that you are automatically a deuschebag as soon as you turn the engine on and the only station that comes through on the radio is club music.
Now you're tracking. I don't want to see myself coming & going. That's why I don't want a mustang and perhaps the same reason why I don't want a challenger (that & the price for the model I want, RT Classic).

As I said, just GM is off my list. But even used GM is off my list. I will never own, support, or buy anything GM. Sucks cause I like old 70's GM muscle and corvettes. Perhaps later in time I will consider used stuff, but not now.

G37... hmmm, looks like a Genesis.
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RX8 for your area = suck. Burn a lot of oil, suck in the cold, suck in the snow/ice, and no power till redline.

I'd go w/the speed3. Love that car, and if I was car shopping for myself, that would for sure be on the short list. I know you can get programing to give you full power in the first 3 gears too, not sure if that would be helpful though!



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Yeah and I may consider the speed 3 back to the list but for now... I've already drove it and will continue to look around it.

I just looked around on Honda.com and while the CRX & Civic Si are nice. If I'm going to dump the performance side by doing that. I might as well get a Focus Titanium 5 door. Look great, Ford discount and all, good MPG, and would look like the big brother to Uma's Fiesta (which we have had NO problems with).
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Old 05-14-2011, 10:17 AM   #26
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Hell I just read on Ford.com that the Focus ST is to be released to US for 2012. I wonder when that is.
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Old 05-14-2011, 10:23 AM   #27
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Hell I just read on Ford.com that the Focus ST is to be released to US for 2012. I wonder when that is.
is that still the turbo 5 cylinder? might be worth waiting for. volvo c30 is basically the same thing though, thats a fun little car too, 5 bangers have this amazing intake wail
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Hell I just read on Ford.com that the Focus ST is to be released to US for 2012. I wonder when that is.
Yeah the focus ST is going to be badass.


For snow though either a WRX or the Lancer RalliSport would be great options. The RalliSport has paddle shifting if you like that or not.
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:38 AM   #29
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The old ST shares the Power Plant with the s30.

The new ST will use a 247 hp (184 kW) version of the 2.0L EcoBoost engine.
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