Bullied kid w/ Muscular dystrophy commits suicide

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Tmall

You ever see a TKD black belt get into a fight?

I have, it's quite funny to see them touching their foot gently to somebody's face to score a "point" as opposed to trying to take their head off, which is kind of the idea of a fight.

Then, after he actually got hit once he started with the "ENOUGH! I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT!"

I was very very disappointed. I thought for sure it would be a one sided fight, with the black belt trouncing the other guy. It just further reinforced to me that if you don't have "it" fighting/self defense just isn't for you.

Funny... the one time I saw it (not sure that the guy was a BB), the TKD guy bounced around and made the other guy look stupid for a couple of seconds, then dropped him with a roundhouse to the body... picked up his sunglasses off the ground, turned around, and walked away as the guy on the ground continued to talk shit...

[jtemple]

I always viewed TKD as more of a showmanship art. There's value to it, no doubt. My son is learning discipline, focus, balance and flexibility. Plus, he just plain loves doing it.

Most street fights end up on the ground, not dancing around each other throwing punches and kicks. Grappling arts get my vote.

As stated in the above two TKD examples, there's still something inside you that makes you willing to rip the other guy's head off. If you don't have that, no martial art is going to give you the advantage over someone that does.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I always viewed TKD as more of a showmanship art. There's value to it, no doubt. My son is learning discipline, focus, balance and flexibility. Plus, he just plain loves doing it.

Most street fights end up on the ground, not dancing around each other throwing punches and kicks. Grappling arts get my vote.

As stated in the above two TKD examples, there's still something inside you that makes you willing to rip the other guy's head off. If you don't have that, no martial art is going to give you the advantage over someone that does.

The "public" believes a black belt makes you a fighting bad-ass.

Yet another reason why I don't like the "public."

[Sixxxxer]

Horrible to read...Tragic and saddened that the world has turned into such a ruthless place.

Kids are WAY Worse than when I was little, and I got my fair share of flak (for your south park fans who can go fuck yourselves)

I hope the children who bullied him and beat and stole from him think about it everyday there alive.

[azoomm]

Side note - It really bothers me when people say "kids are cruel." Bullshit, humans are cruel. Adults are more cruel than any kid could be - we just usually have the mechanisms in place to know how to deal with them.

Kids now have drama that flares up as fast as technology allows. Though, that means the shit-storms don't usually last as long as they did when we were kids.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I always viewed TKD as more of a showmanship art.

If so, then so would all the varieties of kung fu and karate........They all came from the same origins.

Doing "forms" isn't really for show, it's for practicing strong blocks and strikes so that they become second-nature. As far as acquiring actual fighting "wits", that is what sparring sessions & tournaments are for. Someone who doesn't participate in those is obviously going to come up short.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

If so, then so would all the varieties of kung fu and karate........They all came from the same origins.

Doing "forms" isn't really for show, it's for practicing strong blocks and strikes so that they become second-nature. As far as acquiring actual fighting "wits", that is what sparring sessions & tournaments are for. Someone who doesn't participate in those is obviously going to come up short.

Showmanship is not exactly the word I would use, although you will see karate, kung-fu, or TKD demonstrations that have more to do with gymnastics than actual fighting.

I say this as a loyal shotokan karateka: all other things being equal, a ground-trained fighter will win. Karate, kung-fu, and TKD all have some devastating techniques, absolutely. But I think you really only have to watch some of the early UFC matches, back when they really did include all styles and disciplines. Everyone lost to ground fighters. And it makes sense; for instance, there are very few people in the world who can punch someone into unconsciousness more easily than they can choke someone into unconsciousness.

Now if you start pitting grand masters and 10th dans against only moderately trained grapplers, then yeah, you'll probably see an advantage for the stand-up fighters. But I've never seen jiu jutsu matches for points. They train full speed, full power because they can. Most competitions won't do that with the strike/kick style martial arts, because a full power kick to the head could cause real permanent damage. So, like Tmall pointed out, you have people practicing over and over to score points, and that becomes your muscle memory.

By no means do I think that makes stand-up martial arts worthless. And you're definitely better off on your feet if you're fighting more than one person, as is often the case in a schoolyard.

[OneSickPsycho]

Speaking of head kicks... Most awesomest head kick I've ever seen!

[Rider]

Sad story.

My son is 14 years old, 6' 2" 225lbs, knows tae kwon do (blue belt)and has wrestled for years. I'm not worried about anyone picking on him. He is pretty mild mannered now and I dont worry about him being a bully either though.

I do see bullies in his class however and it angers me that the parents of these kids turn a blind eye. Not so much physical bullies, but verbal abuse is very common. The schools in our area have a no bully pocilcy but it doesnt help at all. It has to be taught by the parents and they dont do that.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by Rider

I do see bullies in his class however and it angers me that the parents of these kids turn a blind eye. Not so much physical bullies, but verbal abuse is very common. The schools in our area have a no bully pocilcy but it doesnt help at all. It has to be taught by the parents and they dont do that.

Generally, if they're the kind of parent that produces a bully, they're not paying enough (or the right kind of) attention to the kid to begin with.