10 Cars That Damaged GM's Reputation

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Dave

i firmly disagree on k-car derivatives. ive owned two daytonas and they've been pretty damn durable. those early turbo engines required someone who wasnt a complete moron about doing maintenance

they missed the fiero. only rode in one once. about fifty feet down the road before it took a shit on itself

Fieros were badass little cars... I've seen small block Chevy's shoehorned into those things... one of the coolest I saw was actually a 3.4L V6 turbo...

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Toyota Camry
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Tercel
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Sentra
Mitsubishi Galant
Mazda MX-6...

Can I list more than 10?

during the 80's
Corolla, Tercel Accord and Civic...were very reliable...as long as you got a manual transmission.
Maxima was iffy at times (fueling...transmission)
Nissan had the Stanza (Name changed to Altima during a the 90's rediesign. Stanza was ok.
Sentra...not exactly golden and basically a shitbox. 91 redesign major improvement
Mitsubishi was garbage half the time (ever see a mitsu carb last more than 80k?
MX-6 was a non starter until 88 when they pProbes and 626 and MX-6 outa flatrock. The 12 valve 2.2 was decent. Power steering pumps were not.

[FT BSTRD]

Originally Posted by Ebbs15

the thing is... THEY WOULD... and from speaking to quite a few employee's of both domestic and import automakers plants in the us... the folks work'n for Toyota and Honda seem to be happier. they aren't worried about loosing their jobs at least.

how so? those cars listed did just as much damage to us automakers reps as their own fuck ups... prior to Toyota and Honda... 100K was a HUGE mark... you'd rarely own a vehicle past 100k cause 1. it wouldn't last much longer... 2. it took a HUGE hit to it's value. I'd say Toyota and Honda are the reason that's no longer the case.

shit I haven't bought a truck in the last 5 years that had UNDER 100k (yes all toyota's) go back to the 80's... I'd be wear'n a straight jacket.

I don't get rid of a Honda or Toyota until after they've had 200,000 miles.

In Sixxxer's defense, this is what Toyota and Honda were producing at the time GM was producing the Vega:








At the Corolla Toyota and Accord Honda was producing during the X cars:







And the Camry Toyota Accord Honda was producing during the Saturn years:






Toyota and Honda have been kicking Ford, GM, and Chrysler's ass for decades.

[FT BSTRD]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Fieros were badass little cars... I've seen small block Chevy's shoehorned into those things... one of the coolest I saw was actually a 3.4L V6 turbo...

If you want a brand new Fiero with zero miles on the clock, there is a place called The Fiero Factory near Huntsville, AL. They will build you a brand new Fiero from the ground up.

Here's their website:

http://www.thefierofactory.com/


You can also get a zero time DeLorean as well:

http://www.delorean.com/restoration.asp

[Dave]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Fieros were badass little cars... I've seen small block Chevy's shoehorned into those things... one of the coolest I saw was actually a 3.4L V6 turbo...

i meant stock of course, some inventive folks out there. seen the northstar swaps?

Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

I don't get rid of a Honda or Toyota until after they've had 200,000 miles.

In Sixxxer's defense, this is what Toyota and Honda were producing at the time GM was producing the Vega:








At the Corolla Toyota and Accord Honda was producing during the X cars:







And the Camry Toyota Accord Honda was producing during the Saturn years:






Toyota and Honda have been kicking Ford, GM, and Chrysler's ass for decades.

AE86 was a bad bitch in its day and still is

[was92v]

On the other side of the coin, I have a 95' GMC Sonoma that I bought new in Nov of 94'. It now has 247,000. miles on it, still holds 50lb's of oil pressure at idle and still gets the same 23 MPG it got when new. I've spent $1300. in repairs on it in 14 years and it still has the original Alt, water pump, radiator and heater hoses for God's sake.
Now it has some issues that will never be fixed because it is too old to be worth the repair costs, but it has been as good of a truck as the 85' Toyota I replaced with it and a hell of a lot nicer truck overall. If it blew up tomorrow I would still have gotten my moneys worth out of it.
It anything it was built too good, shit it's 14 years old and I'm still driving it, so the auto industry hasn't gotten another sale out of me since. Oh and the 4.3 V-6 is a kickin little engine, for a truck.

[BobTheBiker]

Frankly, the japs just know how to outdo everyone on cars. I had an 02 S10, and I swear it was the biggest piece of shit ever. my 86 tercel with an auto didnt give me that much trouble over the time I owned it, and that car had 228K on the odometer, with a rough life and still ran like new.

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Toyota Camry
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Tercel
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Sentra
Mitsubishi Galant
Mazda MX-6...

Can I list more than 10?

Exactly why I'm driving a Tacoma right now.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by DLIT

Exactly why I'm driving a Tacoma right now.

<<<<<<< Honda Ridgeline.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

<<<<<<< Honda Ridgeline.

Ridgeline != Truck