Republican says something stupid...

[Smittie61984]

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Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...9/daily16.html

Here's a chance to brush up on your calendar scholarliness:

If an article is written on December 29, 2008, and references a plant closing on December 23 in the past tense, what is the latest year to which that article can be referring?

There is no need to re-write the question in your answer.

"Oh, but 50 people stuck around until April to crank out a few Izuzu parts and decommission the plant! It's clearly Obama's fault!"

Bullshit.

Fair enough, though they were still running and President Obama could of done something to bring it back. Not that it's the President's job to do that but if he said he'd promise then he should at least try. That asshole can funnel money into Chicago to repave roads that were just repaved (and tolled to death) you'd think he could try and do shit for them. Then again he put out a lot of promises.

Personally I say fuck those UAW assholes, I hope every single one of them starved their fat asses to near-death for the bullshit they turned out that cost me tons of money to fix because they put out absolute and complete shit. I'll never own an American company car again. I'll only buy Japanese company cars which are usually built in America but without Union assholes fucking everything up. My Honda sportbike can go 50k miles of bad oil changes and abuse but my old Chevy made POS needs repair more than it needed an oil change.

And also after having to work with those fucking pricks, my biggest regret is not grabbing a lawn chair with a 12 pack of imported beer, to camp out at the GM plant in Atlanta when it closed and watch those mentally retarded fucks walk out knowing they are too stupid to ever get another job above ditch digger, much less a $50-$100 an hour job, then laugh at them.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

I suppose some of the media had a week long conniption about as much as Fox News had a week of republican solidarity. All that crap evens out in the wash, at this point.

But the lie, in that one instance, is in the implied blame on President Obama for the closing of the GM plant. The plant actually closed while President Bush was still in office. But somehow, President Obama is to blame not only for the plant closing, but for it not opening its doors again? And yes, that blame was placed squarely at the president's feet, otherwise Ryan wouldn't have mentioned them both in the same breath.

Sure, they both play those games. And sure, President Obama has softened some positions and outright changed some others, but he hasn't completely redefined himself almost to the point of speciation the way Romney has. And like I said, while the democrats are most certainly lying to us, they aren't reveling in it the way the republicans seem to lately.

Minute as that distinction may be, it's all I have to distinguish the two since they seem to share common goals these days. Ask Governor Mitt Romney of Massachussetts...

I don't think Ryan was blaming Obama for the plant closing no matter what the date was. What I believe he was blaming Obama for was making promises on the campaign trail to get elected he couldn't keep when he became President.

Unlike what you believe Ryan implied, he actually explicitly stated in his speech that the factory was already headed toward closure when candidate Obama visited. During his visit Obama stated his belief that the government could save that factory. Then Ryan explicitly stated (again, didn't imply) "And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight." Ryan isn't blaming Obama for closing the factory, he is blaming Obama for making promises he couldn't keep.

Either way we have entered the realm of mind reading, not facts. The facts are a factory was closing, Obama came in and said he believed the government could save the factory, the factory closed. Which one of those facts is a lie?

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by goof2

I don't think Ryan was blaming Obama for the plant closing no matter what the date was. What I believe he was blaming Obama for was making promises on the campaign trail to get elected he couldn't keep when he became President.

But Adair tells us — and PolitiFact's post makes clear — that Ryan got the "false" rating not only because of what he said Wednesday night but for what he said at a campaign rally on Aug. 16: "I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open. One more broken promise."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...mise-the-facts

Either way we have entered the realm of mind reading, not facts. The facts are a factory was closing, Obama came in and said he believed the government could save the factory, the factory closed. Which one of those facts is a lie?

Neither. A belief is not a promise. And no matter how hard a candidate believes something, until he's actually president he's not going to be able to use the authority of the president's office.

Originally Posted by President Obama at Janesville

"And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president."

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...gm-plant-open/

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Personally I say fuck those UAW assholes, I hope every single one of them starved their fat asses to near-death for the bullshit they turned out that cost me tons of money to fix because they put out absolute and complete shit. I'll never own an American company car again. I'll only buy Japanese company cars which are usually built in America but without Union assholes fucking everything up. My Honda sportbike can go 50k miles of bad oil changes and abuse but my old Chevy made POS needs repair more than it needed an oil change.

In most cases, the reason you had a bad experience with your car was due to sub-standard design, testing, and parts sourcing......Not because of assembly-line labor. IMO at least.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

In most cases, the reason you had a bad experience with your car was due to sub-standard design, testing, and parts sourcing......Not because of assembly-line labor. IMO at least.

Agreed.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

/rant ON

This kind of shit is EXACTLY what is wrong with this Country....one fucking distraction after another.

Who fucking CARES what picture was displayed while some numbnuts was talking? We're 16 TRILLION dollars in debt....and growing....our education system is a shambles GUARANTEEING our further economic decline into the future....our infrastructure is falling down around our heads...and we're STILL in bed with Third World Shit Lords who hook us up with cheap oil....rather than developing...and selling to OUR benefit...the power sources of the future.

Pictures.....fuck off with every bit of that and every other distraction (gay marriage, gays in the military...abortion...blah blah blah blah blah.)

Fix the REAL fucking problems in this Country or shut the fuck up.

Bread and circuses, my friend. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

In most cases, the reason you had a bad experience with your car was due to sub-standard design, testing, and parts sourcing......Not because of assembly-line labor. IMO at least.

I worked at a machine shop doing what we called "union proofing" when we did stuff directly for GM. We normally worked with their sub-contracters becuase we could work with them easier. I have 100s of examples and reasons why the UAW is fucking over GM.

The design is a result of UAW demands on HOW they can assemble the car. We had to design (though GM never put it in use) a bracket to hold up the hoods of those ugly ass vans they use to make due to no support beucase the radiator wasn't in. With the radiator out the corners of the hood would bend up and some monkey would beat it down at QA. THey didn't put the radiator in due to demands on how a worker would have to move around. By the way, I've seen tons of hoods come down the line in the wrong color. It goes to the back yard where they switch the hoods.

Parts sourcing can be put on the UAW also. GM has to put in shitty parts to make a profit becuase contrary to popular belief, a company is suppose to make money. I remember at the GM plant in Atlanta (before it thankfully closed) there was a room full of old timers. The room was in hte middle of the building with no windows. When the shift started the lights went out and they went to sleep for their shift (gotta sleep off that hangover somehow). When they come into work they're usually making OT in the $100s an hour. They can't get fired becuase they get full benefits AND a $300,000 severance package when fired (it benefits them to get fired). There were usually about 12 guys in the room at one time every single day. Basically GM has to pay those assholes and can't put in the nice stuff because a Malibu would cost as much as a Mercedez when it was over.

The GM Corvette plant in Kentucky is hte exception to the rule. They get the good workers of other plants and bring them up there. People tour the Corvette plant and you can't have hte typical UAW worker in their. People would just be staring at a guy staring back at them all day.

But regardless of who's fault, I wont' own an American Company car because the American workers they staff suck and I hope they all lose their jobs.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

The design is a result of UAW demands on HOW they can assemble the car.

I'm going to go out on a limb and speak from a position of ignorance (I'm pretty good at that you know)

In any mass produced design, don't you have to take into account the manufacturing process? So if you design something and the folks who will do the actual assembly come up to you and say "Aint gonna happen in this plant with these tools" wouldn't it be a good idea rethink the design?
Designing an elegant solution doesn't amount to much if its going to be a pain in the ass to manufacturer (hence cost more to build).

I worked in manufacturing for 7 years but that was back in the 90's.
Before online porn changed everything

[Smittie61984]

The way the a UAW worker assembles a car vs a non-union worker for Kia, Toyota, and even BMW is much different.

GM can't go by the same standards as foreign car manufactures do because of union demands. Basically engineer designs process, process is put into practice and as expected changes need to be done, ground engineers say this is what needs to be done but while that happens you have a UAW representative standing there usually saying "We're not doing that" without even looking at a single blueprint or concept. Seen it happen first hand and why American car manufactures are doomed to fail. Then put this arrogent prick back in office and unions will know they run the auto-industry. Oh, and don't think the UAW will be gunning to unionize the foreign car companies if President Obama is reelected.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I'm going to go out on a limb and speak from a position of ignorance (I'm pretty good at that you know)

In any mass produced design, don't you have to take into account the manufacturing process? So if you design something and the folks who will do the actual assembly come up to you and say "Aint gonna happen in this plant with these tools" wouldn't it be a good idea rethink the design?
Designing an elegant solution doesn't amount to much if its going to be a pain in the ass to manufacturer (hence cost more to build).

I worked in manufacturing for 7 years but that was back in the 90's.
Before online porn changed everything

Why would they start taking that into account now? It's not like they considered that someone with hands bigger than a 3 year old would ever have to change a headlight bulb.