WTF- Pregnant, raped, and murdered.

[Quick281]

Originally Posted by Flexin

If your hit by a car while on the bike and are hurt or killed, does it make it your fault because you right a motorcycle?

James

Partially because by getting that motorcycle and being very honest with myself, I accept the fact that I am no longer completely in control of what happens to me. I remind myself that every time I go for a ride, the day it isn't worth it is the day it is time to hang it up.

Edit: This is why I strive to make sure my bike is as visible as possible. I am doing what I can do in order to reduce my odds of other peoples actions.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by Quick281

Partially because by getting that motorcycle and being very honest with myself, I accept the fact that I am no longer completely in control of what happens to me. I remind myself that every time I go for a ride, the day it isn't worth it is the day it is time to hang it up.

You're never in complete control of what happens to you on the road regardless if you're on a bike or a 4x4 truck. However, you may be safer in the truck.

Is that the point you are trying to get across?

[Quick281]

Originally Posted by Rogue

You're never in complete control of what happens to you on the road regardless if you're on a bike or a 4x4 truck. However, you may be safer in the truck.

Is that the point you are trying to get across?

Pretty much. All you can do is be self aware and do what you can to keep the bad things from happening. Whether it is a simple jog around the block by yourself, getting on a motorcycle, or anything of the sort.

For instance: My mom works at a high end retail store at Lenox mall here in Atlanta. Over the years she has worked there, several of her clients have heard/experienced mugging attempts in the parking lot. Several no longer shop there because of these experiences. (Who could blame them?) In fact several murders have even occurred but the news keeps it very hush hush. Mind you these malls are across the street from the Hilton Hotel and the Westin. Not exactly what you would call a bad place but the truth is the most people don't know about the bad things that go on around here and that is exactly how the stores and malls want it.

For that exact reason no matter how slim it is, my 67 year old mother ALWAYS asks for a cop to escort her to her car. Even if it is only 20 feet away or 1 floor down, she doesn't let that slim chance occur.

I don't deny that this isn't a fucked up situation, but there are so many of these in the news anymore. It just pays to do what you can to keep yourself safe.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Quick281

Partially because by getting that motorcycle and being very honest with myself, I accept the fact that I am no longer completely in control of what happens to me. I remind myself that every time I go for a ride, the day it isn't worth it is the day it is time to hang it up.

Edit: This is why I strive to make sure my bike is as visible as possible. I am doing what I can do in order to reduce my odds of other peoples actions.

Exactly. Thats what I did. Well I didn't do anything to make my bike more visible as far as looks go. But I would ride it like it was a tractor trailer. I would make it hard for you not to see me. I would stay out of blind spots and use brakes or throttle to get out of a spot that didn't look right.

How many cops are killed when hit by cars while making a stop on the side of the road? Can't get much more visible then flashing lights in the middle of the night. Yet it still happens.

So she could have did things to protect herself but that random act happened and she was killed. We were not there so we don't know how it happened. She could have ran to the other side of the street but was chased down. Its hard to say.

But one thing we can say is unless she was jogging with a sign around her neck that said have your way with me then kill me, it wasn't her "fault".

James

[Quick281]

Looks like we agree, on agreeing.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Quick281

This wouldn't be the first time a nice tourist spot didn't want to make it's crime problems public.

Still not suggesting she is to blame, but in this day in age you just can be careful enough.

Agreed. Tourists get killed all the time, in the nicest of places.

I'm just trying to point out that several assumptions have been made here, with little or no evidence.

A. "Bad part of town". The girl was killed by a fucking psycho with a psycho mother. That could happen anywhere psychos tend to gather, which is pretty much anywhere these days.

B. "Podunk islands are dangerous". Yes and no. Parts of podunk islands can be dangerous, but there is no guarantee that the nice part of town doesn't have a psycho living in it.

C. "She should have known better". Maybe she did. We have no clue as to her level of situational awareness. She could have been as shrewd as hell for all we know, but got caught off guard by a psycho killer. It happens.

JC

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Quick281

Pretty much. All you can do is be self aware and do what you can to keep the bad things from happening. Whether it is a simple jog around the block by yourself, getting on a motorcycle, or anything of the sort.

For instance: My mom works at a high end retail store at Lenox mall here in Atlanta. Over the years she has worked there, several of her clients have heard/experienced mugging attempts in the parking lot. Several no longer shop there because of these experiences. (Who could blame them?) In fact several murders have even occurred but the news keeps it very hush hush. Mind you these malls are across the street from the Hilton Hotel and the Westin. Not exactly what you would call a bad place but the truth is the most people don't know about the bad things that go on around here and that is exactly how the stores and malls want it.

For that exact reason no matter how slim it is, my 67 year old mother ALWAYS asks for a cop to escort her to her car. Even if it is only 20 feet away or 1 floor down, she doesn't let that slim chance occur.

I don't deny that this isn't a fucked up situation, but there are so many of these in the news anymore. It just pays to do what you can to keep yourself safe.

The thing is you can do everything in your power to be safe but shit can still happen. Your mother is much safer having a cop walking her to the car. That is a very smart thing to do but if someone wanted to do something bad enough there is still a chance of something bad happening.

I was at a club with my wife and about 5 other women. Two were leaving early and had to walk a block or two away to the car. I walked them to the car. When they could see the car they thanked me and said they were fine from there. I wasn't having it and walked them right to the car. I went back to the club after they drove off. But lets be honest. They were safer walking with me but I can't stop everything from happening. For example there has been nights where a group of kids (10+) were jumping people. If they decide they don't care that I'm there is a chance that I'm not going to be enough to stop something from happening.

James

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Quick281

Looks like we agree, on agreeing.

I agree with everything but the fact that it was "her fault".

James

[Quick281]

Originally Posted by Flexin

The thing is you can do everything in your power to be safe but shit can still happen. Your mother is much safer having a cop walking her to the car. That is a very smart thing to do but if someone wanted to do something bad enough there is still a chance of something bad happening.

I was at a club with my wife and about 5 other women. Two were leaving early and had to walk a block or two away to the car. I walked them to the car. When they could see the car they thanked me and said they were fine from there. I wasn't having it and walked them right to the car. I went back to the club after they drove off. But lets be honest. They were safer walking with me but I can't stop everything from happening. For example there has been nights where a group of kids (10+) were jumping people. If they decide they don't care that I'm there is a chance that I'm not going to be enough to stop something from happening.

James

But if something like that did happen no one would stop and say, well those girls should have had someone with them. At that point I think the most common of people would say, well god damn those gangs of kids and there would be little to be said about lack of precautions taken.

Nothing can be completely prevented, but when people don't take the extra precautions that they should people will look back on incidents and put a bit of blame on the victim.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Quick281

But if something like that did happen no one would stop and say, well those girls should have had someone with them. At that point I think the most common of people would say, well god damn those gangs of kids and there would be little to be said about lack of precautions taken.

Nothing can be completely prevented, but when people don't take the extra precautions that they should people will look back on incidents and put a bit of blame on the victim.

But we don't know if she took any precautions.

James