Rush your stroke wife to the Hospital = Jail Time

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

Nts do you understand the severity of a stroke and its effects on the human body? You would rather waste time waiting for the ambulance to come to your house? No thanks...the response time of driving yourself and your loved one to the hospital is ten fold over the ambulance response time...when you said her life wasn't in immediate danger...well that's just ignorance...just because someone isn't bleeding or losing a limb doesn't meant there not in immediate need of medical attention.

And with the ryan moats incident when the cop was threatening to tow the car I would said fuck it tow the damn thing and let me go to my dying mothers side...and people wonder why the world has such a dislike for police officers...granted most of the time they only get chastized by the bad they do and very rarely do we see the good cop stories in the world...but still...they are a symbol of "to protect and serve" your not protecting shit when you act like this

And whayt if their heart stops or they stop breathing? The ambulance has stuff on board to address that, thye can also assess the pt and if it does look like a stroke will call a notification and hopefully take them to a stroke center. When we get a stroke call we have CT cleared and waiting and neurology is uauly already in the ER to asess the pt and we can get TPA on board in under an hr in most cases.


I dont know anyone in their right mind who would give thrombolytics without a CT unless you want to find a career in something other than the medical field.

[VatorMan]

I'm sure I would have done the same thing. However, I do understand why he either needs an escort or and ambulance. You don't think clearly when you are personally involved.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

I'm sure I would have done the same thing. However, I do understand why he either needs an escort or and ambulance. You don't think clearly when you are personally involved.

I have personally run several people to the hospital in my lifetime, to include my finance' who passed away the third time... I understand that you running your loved one to the hospital is probably quicker than waiting for an amberlamps to show up and then take her BUT I don't think that you have a "right" to run lights, etc. I honestly didn't run any lights. I did speed though. It's a tough situation but it'll become a lot tougher if in your panic, you get into an accident in your haste.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Evadd

i think the whole thing is pretty simple. the cop was right to chase the car. however, once he saw a man pulling his stroke-having one-legged wife out of the car, he should have said "oh shit" instead of "i'm going to arrest you", and helped the guy out, rather than still try to stop him. the guy in the cop's uniform was way out of line once he found out what was really happening.

This is what I was thinking. I mean, making chase is all fine and good, but when they pull into an ER and start getting a clearly disabled person out of the vehicle maybe a bit of an explanation.

It makes me sad.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

I have personally run several people to the hospital in my lifetime, to include my finance' who passed away the third time... I understand that you running your loved one to the hospital is probably quicker than waiting for an amberlamps to show up and then take her BUT I don't think that you have a "right" to run lights, etc. I honestly didn't run any lights. I did speed though. It's a tough situation but it'll become a lot tougher if in your panic, you get into an accident in your haste.

All great points, even ambulance drivers don't just blatantly run red lights, cops are the only ones who do that...and then even rarely.

Around here though many of the lights we have to sit at are completely empty and could easily be run safely....as long as there isn't a cop hiding somewhere waiting to make the city some more bling bling.

BTW dude, did you say your fiance passed away for the third time, as in you've had three fiancee's die on you...or that you ran her three times and she passed on the third?

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

All great points, even ambulance drivers don't just blatantly run red lights, cops are the only ones who do that...and then even rarely.

Around here though many of the lights we have to sit at are completely empty and could easily be run safely....as long as there isn't a cop hiding somewhere waiting to make the city some more bling bling.

BTW dude, did you say your fiance passed away for the third time, as in you've had three fiancee's die on you...or that you ran her three times and she passed on the third?

They don't run a lot because a lot can trigger the light to change to green.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Trip

They don't run a lot because a lot can trigger the light to change to green.

Not around here, we have old school lights on timers. Hence the waiting and waiting and waiting at lights on a regular basis. Only the more wealthy cities like Plano and Frisco have super-lights. My info may be dated, as its been about 5 years since I rode with any local ambulance.

BTW, you would think lights and sirens make it safer to break the laws, but they actually have the opposite effect. You'd almost have to see it happen to fully understand how bad it is, but people flat freak the fuck out when they here lights and sirens. And I don't mean a few people here and there, I mean A LOT of people. They will swerve right in front of you, slam on the brakes right in front of you, dart into intersections....all because of the panic induced by the lights and sirens on the ambulance. Its fucking unreal...and I honestly wouldn't believe it unless I had witnessed it so many times. Seriously, every code 3 call you respond to is like that.

It would be so much safer to ditch the lights and sirens and just run fast, blipping as needed....but you can't do that out of lawsuit concerns. If you are driving an ambulance, doing 15mph over the speed limit, and you hit someone, you and your ambulance company are fucked. But if you do it with lights and sirens on you'll probably be ok.

So, as to the original story, and this man's ability to drive fast and run redlights without lights and sirens, he has the capability to be safer than an ambulance. If he was just running straight through red lights without looking first, then yea...he was a danger. But if he was stopping and checking as I suspect he would've been, then there was very little public danger. I've been running red lights and speeding on a daily basis and have never caused an accident.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

Nts do you understand the severity of a stroke and its effects on the human body? You would rather waste time waiting for the ambulance to come to your house? No thanks...the response time of driving yourself and your loved one to the hospital is ten fold over the ambulance response time...when you said her life wasn't in immediate danger...well that's just ignorance...just because someone isn't bleeding or losing a limb doesn't meant there not in immediate need of medical attention.

And with the ryan moats incident when the cop was threatening to tow the car I would said fuck it tow the damn thing and let me go to my dying mothers side...and people wonder why the world has such a dislike for police officers...granted most of the time they only get chastized by the bad they do and very rarely do we see the good cop stories in the world...but still...they are a symbol of "to protect and serve" your not protecting shit when you act like this

Sixxer, we have a 32 bed unit dedicated to stroke victims on our 9th floor, which i visit fairly frequently, i think i have a grasp of the implications of what a stroke is, how it is caused, and its effects on the human body.

Originally Posted by cbrchick

Uh....

You have to have a fairly hi-probability or lack of resources to give someone thrombolitics without a CT of their head. You don't know if it's a stroke caused by a clot or by a bleed in their head...

So no, paramedics can't give thinners based on their assessment. (not here anyway)

And stroke symptoms vs heat stroke and fatigue are easily differentiated.

I've never confused either for one another. Big differences between the two. IV fluids wont fix a stroke.

But as far as buddy calling EHS, I agree. If it's 10 mins away, call the paramedics.

Here we have a 3-6 hour window from the onset of symptoms to treat a clot based stroke with thinners. If you rush to the hospital, run red lights, and possibly cause more accidents by speeding... not the smartest thing to do.

Lights and sirens and a dedicated emergency vehicle do a lot to get people out of your way safely....

As far as the police officer... over reaction to a degree for sure....

At general we have stroke teams available for this, but yea, typically treatment is going to be delayed until a proper assessment is done in radiology. I'm in school for such, actually.

And im only going to assume that a nurse tech wouldnt be able to clearly see and assess the symptoms of a stroke patient. Granted he had military training, but i doubt stroke management was part of a field medics training.

Either way factor in the fact that its a loved one, and the emotional stress and lack of good judgment that would cause, and you have good potential to do more damage than good.

More than anything im playing devils advocate people, but i've also clearly state that i dont think he did the WRONG thing. i just dont think we should be so aghast that he's being punished for committing a crime. there's an old saying about the best intentions...

[Trip]

The guy has come out and said yeah he ran the lights, he deserves those tickets. He thinks the other shit is bullshit though.

[Kaneman]

There is NO guarantee the ambulance is going to arrive at your house within any given time frame, as we've seen again and again on the nightly news. In a life or death situation I'll use my own car.