WTF- Pregnant, raped, and murdered.

[Flexin]

And I like to get my hands on the guy that did it. He is upset because she was pregnant? So it was only wrong because she was pregnant?

James

[Quick281]

Originally Posted by Flexin

But we don't know if she took any precautions.

James

I assume she didn't because there would either be a second body or someone would have notified the police of the kidnapping right away.

None the less, I hope the fucker dies a long and terrible death in jail.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Quick281

I assume she didn't because there would either be a second body or someone would have notified the police of the kidnapping right away.

None the less, I hope the fucker dies a long and terrible death in jail.

She could have had a weapon (gun/knife/mace) but was caught off guard. And she did have a cell phone and called for help herself. You can't always have another person with you. If she had some fear she might not have run close enough to the guy to be grabbed. But to say it was her fault is wrong.

James

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Flexin

And I like to get my hands on the guy that did it. He is upset because she was pregnant? So it was only wrong because she was pregnant?

James

"He told me he felt bad because he didn't know (Kuszak) was pregnant," said police officer Arsenio Rodriguez. "He was crying and telling me he was sorry because he has a daughter and knew he had made a big mistake."

This is what really gets me burnt beyond all belief. What is the difference??? So it was ok that you raped and slayed a defenseless human alone. Why do you now feel bad that you have taken a fetus' life. So would it have not been a big mistake if she was not pregnant? I cant imagine what goes thru these whack-o's heads......

Another big advocate of conceal carry here....

[the chi]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

From the Wiki entry for Fajardo (where the woman was killed):

Tourism

Fajardo is popular among tourists, especially local tourists, because of its seafood, hotels, closeness to the small islands of Palomino, Icaco and Palominito, and the many daily trips that were are available to Vieques and Culebra, both by boat and by the four airlines that served Fajardo Airport recently closed: Air Culebra, Air St. Thomas, Isla Nena Air and Vieques Air Link.

Fajardo's perfect beaches are bounded by calm, clear water ideal for snorkeling, Seven Seas Beach, offers plentiful water sports facilities, offshore points for sailing, snorkeling and plenty of scuba diving.

Not exactly the "ghetto"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fajardo_street.jpg

JC

Apparently you missed the "devils advocate" part of my post. I wasnt saying she was in the ghetto, merely using it as an example for arguments sake. Being responsible for oneself regardless of where your at or who you are with ultimately falls on each individual. Not saying she is at fault, I dont think she is, BUT, even her own family and friends mentioned her penchant for going in areas someone thats not a local should at least have the common sense to avoid. You can ALWAYS turn around when you find youve gone the wrong way.

It does so happen my adopted family are PR's, i mentioned this to my best friend, and also mentioned the womans penchant for going in "unsavory" areas. I got the "retard" look from her, as there are MANY areas, right next to "tourist" areas that are NOT recommended for non locals to visit. The locals WILL get you. Obviously. As a matter of fact, theyve promised me that when they take me to visit, they wont leave me alone, as a white woman makes too tempting a target...

Originally Posted by Flexin

A lot o people think that riding a motorcycle is like walking in that tiger cage. If your hit by a car while on the bike and are hurt or killed, does it make it your fault because you right a motorcycle?

James

Ah but, you see here, I accept that when I go out on my bike, I may get hurt or even killed. My fault or not, I take on the responsibility for riding a bike, and ultimately, if something did happen, I would in part be responsible for my own death, as I made the decision to get on that bike. I take responsibility for my own actions and choices.

My family would scream and go up in arms if something happened to me, if a car ran me over, they wouldnt just accept it as i do, they would demand someone look into the matter, and explain how it could have happened. I can tell you how it happened. I ride a bike. I take my life into my own hands every time I get on that bike. I take chances and hope that everyone else on the road in a car pays attention.

The car that hits me? Are they at fault? Fuck yeah. Unless I did something stupid, almost completely.

But if I hadnt been on the bike, they might never have hit me.

This poor woman and her tragedy, I hope the guy gets what he deserves. And I dont think its her fault this happened, by any means.

But must everyone take responsibility for their actions? Yes.

She could have taken a friend, she could have gone another route, she could have stayed at her hotel and run. Any number of decisions on her part might have made a difference and she'd still be here. And I would bet, if she were here to answer, she'd tell us the same.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Apparently you missed the "devils advocate" part of my post. I wasnt saying she was in the ghetto, merely using it as an example for arguments sake. Being responsible for oneself regardless of where your at or who you are with ultimately falls on each individual. Not saying she is at fault, I dont think she is, BUT, even her own family and friends mentioned her penchant for going in areas someone thats not a local should at least have the common sense to avoid. You can ALWAYS turn around when you find youve gone the wrong way.

It does so happen my adopted family are PR's, i mentioned this to my best friend, and also mentioned the womans penchant for going in "unsavory" areas. I got the "retard" look from her, as there are MANY areas, right next to "tourist" areas that are NOT recommended for non locals to visit. The locals WILL get you. Obviously. As a matter of fact, theyve promised me that when they take me to visit, they wont leave me alone, as a white woman makes too tempting a target...



Ah but, you see here, I accept that when I go out on my bike, I may get hurt or even killed. My fault or not, I take on the responsibility for riding a bike, and ultimately, if something did happen, I would in part be responsible for my own death, as I made the decision to get on that bike. I take responsibility for my own actions and choices.

My family would scream and go up in arms if something happened to me, if a car ran me over, they wouldnt just accept it as i do, they would demand someone look into the matter, and explain how it could have happened. I can tell you how it happened. I ride a bike. I take my life into my own hands every time I get on that bike. I take chances and hope that everyone else on the road in a car pays attention.

The car that hits me? Are they at fault? Fuck yeah. Unless I did something stupid, almost completely.

But if I hadnt been on the bike, they might never have hit me.

This poor woman and her tragedy, I hope the guy gets what he deserves. And I dont think its her fault this happened, by any means.

But must everyone take responsibility for their actions? Yes.

She could have taken a friend, she could have gone another route, she could have stayed at her hotel and run. Any number of decisions on her part might have made a difference and she'd still be here. And I would bet, if she were here to answer, she'd tell us the same.

But your assuming that she didn't accept that fact that something could happen to her.

If your riding and you are hit, and you didn't do anything wrong then it is their fault. You could have taken a different road but why would you? You didn't know it was going to happen. If you did you could have taken the same road and stopped a few hundred feet before the spot and let him crash on his own.

She had no way of knowing that this fucked up guy would have been on that road. If she did know a guy was on the road that would kill her she would have had the cops pick the guy up.

If she took a different route she might have found another fucked up idiot that wants to take her life. I'm sure there is more then one on that island. There is more then a few in North America.

Yes if she was here she could name off things that would have kept him from having a chance to murder her. Some of those would have saved her life. And like I already pointed out some could have just put her in a different type of danger.

We could do all kinds of what if's. If she was a fat lazy woman she would have been laying in front of the tv/internet/or talking to her 15 cats. That could have saved her that day.

But your forgetting something. That guy wanted to kill someone. He was taking someone. It just so happened to be her. It was his fault.

James

[the chi]

Where did I deny that it was his fault? I didnt. And im not assuming anything. Im just offering options,. alternatives and other things for thought. Some people dont respond well to that. Maybe thats why its called "Devils Advocate".

Think what you like hun, and your right, there will always be what ifs...theres no denying that, but accepting thats theres consequences, fucked up tho they may be, is just a part of life.

We could walk out the door tomorrow and have a heart attack on our porch. This could be from something terrifying. It could be because we are fat and lazy and dont take care of ourself. Or we could hide inside and die from lack of sunlight and water like a houseplant. Cause and effect. Or something like that, is the only thing I am pointing out. Not situational specific to this poor case.

This poor woman lost her life cuz there are shitty people in the world. Even shittier is her future hubby lost his wife, and his baby in one shot. Life sucks. Hope he gets his.

What do we take from this? Maybe someone will think twice before going on a run in a strange place unaccompanied.

Why does this sound like the twilight zone?

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Where did I deny that it was his fault? I didnt. And im not assuming anything. Im just offering options,. alternatives and other things for thought. Some people dont respond well to that. Maybe thats why its called "Devils Advocate".

Think what you like hun, and your right, there will always be what ifs...theres no denying that, but accepting thats theres consequences, fucked up tho they may be, is just a part of life.

We could walk out the door tomorrow and have a heart attack on our porch. This could be from something terrifying. It could be because we are fat and lazy and dont take care of ourself. Or we could hide inside and die from lack of sunlight and water like a houseplant. Cause and effect. Or something like that, is the only thing I am pointing out. Not situational specific to this poor case.

This poor woman lost her life cuz there are shitty people in the world. Even shittier is her future hubby lost his wife, and his baby in one shot. Life sucks. Hope he gets his.

What do we take from this? Maybe someone will think twice before going on a run in a strange place unaccompanied.

Why does this sound like the twilight zone?

What do we take from this? Always be aware of what is going on around you. Look for possible dangers. And do your best to avoid them. Do this while you enjoy what you love to do in life.

Like you said. Anyone could have a heart attack tomorrow. So why not enjoy life. It sucks that someone would take her life for no reason. She died enjoying life.

James

[Dave]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Apparently you missed the "devils advocate" part of my post. I wasnt saying she was in the ghetto, merely using it as an example for arguments sake. Being responsible for oneself regardless of where your at or who you are with ultimately falls on each individual. Not saying she is at fault, I dont think she is, BUT, even her own family and friends mentioned her penchant for going in areas someone thats not a local should at least have the common sense to avoid. You can ALWAYS turn around when you find youve gone the wrong way.

It does so happen my adopted family are PR's, i mentioned this to my best friend, and also mentioned the womans penchant for going in "unsavory" areas. I got the "retard" look from her, as there are MANY areas, right next to "tourist" areas that are NOT recommended for non locals to visit. The locals WILL get you. Obviously. As a matter of fact, theyve promised me that when they take me to visit, they wont leave me alone, as a white woman makes too tempting a target...



Ah but, you see here, I accept that when I go out on my bike, I may get hurt or even killed. My fault or not, I take on the responsibility for riding a bike, and ultimately, if something did happen, I would in part be responsible for my own death, as I made the decision to get on that bike. I take responsibility for my own actions and choices.

My family would scream and go up in arms if something happened to me, if a car ran me over, they wouldnt just accept it as i do, they would demand someone look into the matter, and explain how it could have happened. I can tell you how it happened. I ride a bike. I take my life into my own hands every time I get on that bike. I take chances and hope that everyone else on the road in a car pays attention.

The car that hits me? Are they at fault? Fuck yeah. Unless I did something stupid, almost completely.

But if I hadnt been on the bike, they might never have hit me.

This poor woman and her tragedy, I hope the guy gets what he deserves. And I dont think its her fault this happened, by any means.

But must everyone take responsibility for their actions? Yes.

She could have taken a friend, she could have gone another route, she could have stayed at her hotel and run. Any number of decisions on her part might have made a difference and she'd still be here. And I would bet, if she were here to answer, she'd tell us the same.

i again not for the first time wish we had a rep system. in the absence of such, RAE you're awesome!

Originally Posted by Flexin

What do we take from this? Always be aware of what is going on around you. Look for possible dangers. And do your best to avoid them. Do this while you enjoy what you love to do in life.

Like you said. Anyone could have a heart attack tomorrow. So why not enjoy life. It sucks that someone would take her life for no reason. She died enjoying life.

James

i wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement. however i do believe she had her affairs in order and i hope she had some form of faith (though from her convictions about her fate i have doubt)

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Flexin

What do we take from this? Always be aware of what is going on around you. Look for possible dangers. And do your best to avoid them. Do this while you enjoy what you love to do in life.

Like you said. Anyone could have a heart attack tomorrow. So why not enjoy life. It sucks that someone would take her life for no reason. She died enjoying life.

James

My first thought was that EVERY person needs to at least take a simple self defense class. I mean, being stuffed into a trunk - put your arm or leg in the way. A broken leg is better than them being able to close the trunk and driving away with you. If they can't close it - they can't drive without attracting attention. Learn how to use anything as a weapon... ANYTHING from the side of a car to it's mirror to a wall or even leverage off the ground.

Never NEVER EVER stop fighting.

It isn't her fault.