Wheelying out of corners...

[HurricaneHeather]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Ahh, you're looking for suggestions on how to high-side.

Just kidding. Sorta.

[No Worries]

I've slid the rear tire, but my long-wheelbase bikes aren't wheelie prone.

FYI, here's what Lee Parks says about coming out of curves in his Throttle Control chapter: "The faster you roll off (the throttle), the faster and harder the bike will pitch forward, which can cause all kinds of handling problems if done at an inopportune time. The same can be said for quickly releasing the brakes, which has the same effect as quickly applying the throttle. Combining the last two actions, as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone. The fix for this is to have a transition period where you are doing both actions simultaneously."

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by No Worries

I've slid the rear tire, but my long-wheelbase bikes aren't wheelie prone.

FYI, here's what Lee Parks says about coming out of curves in his Throttle Control chapter: "The faster you roll off (the throttle), the faster and harder the bike will pitch forward, which can cause all kinds of handling problems if done at an inopportune time. The same can be said for quickly releasing the brakes, which has the same effect as quickly applying the throttle. Combining the last two actions, as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone. The fix for this is to have a transition period where you are doing both actions simultaneously."

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass?

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

[smileyman]

Body position will help...I see alot of guys sit up and remain up until they are coming outta the corner making for a light front tire. Some shift there body back and upright while coming off their knee. Personally wheelies take up time at the track so I only do them foolin around. Otherwise I am tucked on the tank and forward to prevent it.

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass?

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

I took his class, too, and that whole section made no sense (as presented). The riding exercise was valuable for practicing smooth throttle/braking combinations, but I didn't get the logic of the presentation at all.

And for what it's worth, my bike wheelies out of corners pretty much at will. It's tons of fun to just keep the front skimming along while you straighten up.

[No Worries]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass?

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

Originally Posted by anthonyk

I took his class, too, and that whole section made no sense (as presented). The riding exercise was valuable for practicing smooth throttle/braking combinations, but I didn't get the logic of the presentation at all.

And for what it's worth, my bike wheelies out of corners pretty much at will. It's tons of fun to just keep the front skimming along while you straighten up.

Sorry, but I'm a lazy typist and didn't want to type the whole chapter. Parks was stating how the throttle controls the suspension. The front squats when you apply the brakes and you would think the rear squats when you apply the throttle. But the rear rises due to the torque reaction of the rear wheel. Being on the throttle in the corner helps keep the bike in the middle of the suspension, which keeps the chassis stable. A steady increase of throttle keeps the suspension in this sweet spot. A fast application can cause problems.

Parks says to practice rolling off the throttle painfully slow so the suspension barely moves. When you have that down, then practice rolling off the throttle and rolling on the brakes. Which sounds weird, but it keeps the bike from pitching forward and backward. Freddie Spencer teaches this and he won three world championships.

[smileyman]

You should feel the forces of deceleration, not the application of the brake, the forces of acceleration, not the application of throtttle - 1st book of Spencer Vs 3 and 4.

Goes for downshifting as well. Practice so as to make it invisible and unnoticable...

[dreaded]

Now we're having a discussion.

Awesome stuff!

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by dreaded

Now we're having a discussion.

Awesome stuff!

Ah,I covered most of this in my post on page one......hahaha!

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by TommyHotWheel

Best technique...buy a sportbike with a big twin!

Truth.

Originally Posted by marko138

Wheelies are mandatory on the Buell.

Double Truth.