2nd Ammendment Rights - Page 4

t-homo · 03-22-2008, 07:33 PM

I am pro guns, always have been. I grew up hunting so I have shot a lot of damn animals. I feel that anyone who does concealed carry should have a minimum number of hours training before allowed to do so. As soon as I turn 21, I will be applying for my concealed carry license, and plan on carrying at all times.

Here is a turn. What do you think about carrying inside of places where guns are prohibited? If there is a shooting, and someone fires back and ends it, should the second person be charged?

Phenix_Rider · 03-22-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by t-rock

I am pro guns, always have been. I grew up hunting so I have shot a lot of damn animals. I feel that anyone who does concealed carry should have a minimum number of hours training before allowed to do so. As soon as I turn 21, I will be applying for my concealed carry license, and plan on carrying at all times.

Here is a turn. What do you think about carrying inside of places where guns are prohibited? If there is a shooting, and someone fires back and ends it, should the second person be charged?

Charged, yes- they broke the law. But there should be room for the judge to be lenient. They did stop a crime.

OneSickPsycho · 03-22-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OTB

DO your research.

Find out what happened to the crime stats in the UK when they confiscated all the guns.

Find out what happened to the crime stats in Australia when they confiscated the guns.

Look at DC.

Look at all the crime stats of the states that enacted liberal CCW laws as compared to those that did not.

Read the Lott report.

You don't want to own a gun; fine and dandy......just don't tell me the 2nd Amendment doesn't say what it says (looks like the Supremes will settle that one once and for all).

As an aside, my wife felt the same way as itgirl did when we were first married; I sold my guns to make her feel better......then we were robbed (no, not burglerized, ROBBED) one long night.

My wife became very proficient with her 4" S&W .357 and Mossburg pump gun, and providentially so, because she used the S&W to scare away another robber in the dark of night a year later......

Like I said....you do what want....just don't get in the way of me being able to defend MY family..........

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Originally Posted by OTB

The problem is....you don't understand the Constitution and The Bill of Rights (I'm not being snide; your comments reveal your lack of knowledge in that area). Read the commentary on the process of creation of and ratification of the Constition and the Bill of Rights in the Federalist Papers; then you will understand the greater roll of citizens and the militia.

If you don't believe we need a militia, then you have already forgotten the lessons of hurricane Katrina........

Excellent posts... Again, it's a logic vs. emotion debate...

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Originally Posted by t-rock

I am pro guns, always have been. I grew up hunting so I have shot a lot of damn animals. I feel that anyone who does concealed carry should have a minimum number of hours training before allowed to do so. As soon as I turn 21, I will be applying for my concealed carry license, and plan on carrying at all times.

Here is a turn. What do you think about carrying inside of places where guns are prohibited? If there is a shooting, and someone fires back and ends it, should the second person be charged?

First off, yes... there should be substantial training for CCW permits and follow-up training required as well... same goes with auto licenses.

Doubled edged sword... You could save a room full of retarded kids and some asswipe judge would make an example out of you...

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Originally Posted by Phenix_Rider

Charged, yes- they broke the law. But there should be room for the judge to be lenient. They did stop a crime.

That's the problem... the lenient judges would most likely throw the book at you... Had you been the guy running into the school and killing a dozen children however... you could make an argument that your mommy didn't hug you enough when you were 3 and get 1/2 of the suggested sentence.

t-homo · 03-22-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Phenix_Rider

Charged, yes- they broke the law. But there should be room for the judge to be lenient. They did stop a crime.

That's how I feel also. But, like you (or someone, doesn't really matter) said, most shootings happen in these places so I wouldn't feel bad about it at all.

Rider · 03-24-2008, 07:59 AM

Pro gun all the way. As a matter of fact, I just bought a huge gun safe over the weekend..

Mr Lefty · 03-24-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rider

Pro gun all the way. As a matter of fact, I just bought a huge gun safe over the weekend..

kanwisch · 03-25-2008, 08:18 AM

I'm libertarian, so I don't care if you own one. I have no need for one whatsoever so not in my future. The risk is too high to have one in the house with kids anyway relative to the benefits, IMO.

A different picture on this, however, is whether the 2nd Amendment guarantees your own right to a gun or whether its a collective right intended to prevent a federal organization (Congress, FBI, etc) from stripping states of their militias. That's before the Supreme Court now and based on the Justices questions, for the first time ever, they are (probably) going to reverse previous commentary to find in favor of a personal right. Not surprising given the strong right-leanings of the Court these days, but surprising that they're reversing previous rightist SC Chief Justices opinions. What's next?

Since the poll's not clear which you're talking about, I didn't vote.

z06boy · 03-25-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by '73 H1 Triple

I'm pro gun and can agree that there is a problem with gun violence.

I firmly believe that a major part of the problem is liberal judges and prosecutors allowing criminals to plea down the charges against them.

What good is the federal minimum jail term of 5 years for using a firearm in the commision of a crime if the "soft" judges and prosecutors don't use it?

I don't feel like typing out a long response so I'll just agree with this post...pretty much the same as I feel.

Yes I have guns and yes I conceal carry.

fnfalman · 03-25-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gas Man

I will be at the range putting holes in some paper tomry.

I have my CCW class on the 5th.

Also picking up a concealment vest to wear when riding.

I think the only gun control that should exist is hitting your target.

Guns, guts and God are what make America great. Euro weenies and the rest of the world's weenies need not apply.

Cutty72 · 03-25-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Guns, guts and God are what make America great. Euro weenies and the rest of the world's weenies need not apply.

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03-22-2008, 07:33 PM	#31
t-homo WSB Champion Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 7,146	I am pro guns, always have been. I grew up hunting so I have shot a lot of damn animals. I feel that anyone who does concealed carry should have a minimum number of hours training before allowed to do so. As soon as I turn 21, I will be applying for my concealed carry license, and plan on carrying at all times. Here is a turn. What do you think about carrying inside of places where guns are prohibited? If there is a shooting, and someone fires back and ends it, should the second person be charged?

03-24-2008, 07:59 AM	#35
Rider Moto GP Star Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,156	Pro gun all the way. As a matter of fact, I just bought a huge gun safe over the weekend..

03-25-2008, 08:18 AM	#37
kanwisch Strength and Honor Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 22	I'm libertarian, so I don't care if you own one. I have no need for one whatsoever so not in my future. The risk is too high to have one in the house with kids anyway relative to the benefits, IMO. A different picture on this, however, is whether the 2nd Amendment guarantees your own right to a gun or whether its a collective right intended to prevent a federal organization (Congress, FBI, etc) from stripping states of their militias. That's before the Supreme Court now and based on the Justices questions, for the first time ever, they are (probably) going to reverse previous commentary to find in favor of a personal right. Not surprising given the strong right-leanings of the Court these days, but surprising that they're reversing previous rightist SC Chief Justices opinions. What's next? Since the poll's not clear which you're talking about, I didn't vote.