Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott - Page 5

askmrjesus · 05-20-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2

Arizona has recognized this and as a result the law also states any federal, state, or local government issued ID is acceptable as long as proof of legal residence in America is a required condition for its issuance.

So if you are a person of Hispanic descent, with a Cali DL, you are shit out of luck.

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Originally Posted by goof2

No it can't. Right on the first page of the law it states:

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION.

What you describe is prohibited. There must at the very least be some other pretext for pulling the person over besides their being Hispanic.

But what pretext would that be? Possession of an excessive amount of water bottles? Failure to be able to name the Yankee's starting line up? An aversion to apple pie?

JC

pauldun170 · 05-20-2010, 02:44 PM

All I know is that if I travel to Arizona, I'm going to find myself being followed by cop cars very closely waiting for me make the slightest mistake.

azoomm · 05-20-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shmike

I agree the profiling issue is sticky.

I'm with Tmall on this. I don't like it but I'm not sure of any better options.

See above.

I don't necessarily agree with profiling.

However, if Jose is pulled over for a headlight out, he needs to have a DL on him.

Do we agree on that?

Yes, because to DRIVE it's required. What about walking down the street? Or, sitting on the bus?

shmike · 05-20-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Yes, that's what I've been saying all along.

JC

Yes and no.

You claimed that the law allows the police to pull over anyone for being brown.

We know profiling isn't allowed.

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20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

According to the law, the contact must be legal. Therefore, we must assume that if Jose is pulled over, the officer had a reason to do so.

askmrjesus · 05-20-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldun170

All I know is that if I travel to Arizona, I'm going to find myself being followed by cop cars very closely waiting for me make the slightest mistake.

That's what you get for being suspicious looking.

If you truly loved your country, you'd whiten up a little (more).

JC

shmike · 05-20-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by azoomm

Yes, because to DRIVE it's required. What about walking down the street? Or, sitting on the bus?

We were talking about DWB.

pauldun170 · 05-20-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shmike

Yes and no.

You claimed that the law allows the police to pull over anyone for being brown.

We know profiling isn't allowed.

According to the law, the contact must be legal. Therefore, we must assume that if Jose is pulled over, the officer had a reason to do so.

" WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN "

Come on guys

How come noone has made the joke yet. at least some photoshops are in order.

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

That's what you get for being suspicious looking.

If you truly loved your country, you'd whiten up a little (more).

JC

askmrjesus · 05-20-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shmike

Yes and no.

You claimed that the law allows the police to pull over anyone for being brown.

We know profiling isn't allowed.

According to the law, the contact must be legal. Therefore, we must assume that if Jose is pulled over, the officer had a reason to do so.

That's just it.

Short of walking through the desert, from the direction of Mexico, wearing an "I'm a Mexican" t-shirt, what criteria exists for identifying an illegal?

Neither the people who made the law, nor the cops that have to enforce it, have been able to answer this as far as I know.

JC

goof2 · 05-20-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

So if you are a person of Hispanic descent, with a Cali DL, you are shit out of luck.

No because California requires you to prove your legal presence in the United States to get a drivers license or state ID.

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

But what pretext would that be? Possession of an excessive amount of water bottles? Failure to be able to name the Yankee's starting line up? An aversion to apple pie?

JC

The cop would need one of two reasons to pull that person over. The first is the cop having a reason to question a person's immigration status other than that person being Hispanic. I'm not sure how they would do this while driving.

The second would be pulling them over for any other lawful reason (busted taillight, weaving, speeding, expired registration).

shmike · 05-20-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by askmrjesus

That's just it.

Short of walking through the desert, from the direction of Mexico, wearing an "I'm a Mexican" t-shirt, what criteria exists for identifying an illegal?

Neither the people who made the law, nor the cops that have to enforce it, have been able to answer this as far as I know.

JC

This is really more of a Homeslice question.

It's not how they look as much how they accessorize.

Dirty jeans and an undershirt says: I work outdoors.

Add in a leaf blower, weed whacker or mop and bucket: instant illegal.

Also, standing up while riding in the back of a landscape truck is a dead give away.