"He got on his knees and begged, ‘No, Daddy, no,’ and he pulled the trigger,"

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Tmall

I disagree that people are a product of their environment. Its a cop out.

A pos is a pos regardless of why. All that matters is that they're a pos.

So you don't think being molested has any bearing on a child's mental development, outlook on the world, and behaviors?

[Tmall]

How do you explain first time molesters if its a learned behaviour?

How come not everybody who has had it done to them turn into molesters?


Its because you have a free will. If you didn't enjoy getting molested, the learned behaviour would be to not do it to others.

Cop out/excuse used by lawyers to get their clients a lighter sentence. Its nothing more.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Tmall

How do you explain first time molesters if its a learned behaviour?

Because its a combination of both.

Why bother being a parent if what you do doesn't matter anyway? Free will right?

[Tmall]

Do your parents approve of everything you do? Do you drive the same car your father drives? Wear the same clothes? Same perfume as your mom?

Or did you make those choices despite being in an environment that should have turned you into a carbon copy of your parents?

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Do your parents approve of everything you do? Do you drive the same car your father drives? Wear the same clothes? Same perfume as your mom?

Or did you make those choices despite being in an environment that should have turned you into a carbon copy of your parents?

I can easily see the influences my father has had on my life. Nobody ever said anything about being a carbon copy, because that's not the way it works. So again, why would anyone even bother raising their kids if it has no bearing on how they will turn out as adults?

[Tmall]

You just said it, influence. Not the reason. The influence.

You made a conscience decision to be more like your father, to respect his rules.

Now, if your father had been abusive to your mother, would that have influenced you? Or would you have been a product of your environment and carried on the abuse?

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Tmall

You just said it, influence. Not the reason. The influence.

You made a conscience decision to be more like your father, to respect his rules.

Now, if your father had been abusive to your mother, would that have influenced you? Or would you have been a product of your environment and carried on the abuse?

Does having a drunken asshole of a father give you a higher chance of being a drunken asshole yourself? How much of it is heredity and how much learnt response?

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Tmall

You just said it, influence. Not the reason. The influence.

You made a conscience decision to be more like your father, to respect his rules.

Now, if your father had been abusive to your mother, would that have influenced you? Or would you have been a product of your environment and carried on the abuse?

Its different for every person and its different again for victims of sexual abuse...but I never made a conscience decision to be more like my father.

[Tmall]

But, you did! Every single one of his influences on you is a decision you've made..

If you didn't decide, you wouldn't be that way.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Tmall

But, you did! Every single one of his influences on you is a decision you've made..

If you didn't decide, you wouldn't be that way.

I disagree.