Dad cures son's brain cancer illegally...

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Listen closely, and you can hear the sound of Tallywacker choking on his words.

Ignorance itself isn't so bad...it's when it's coupled with arrogance...

In all honesty all he really has to do is hit up Google for a bit and I'm sure he'll be able to copy and paste articles that discredit the use of Cannabis as an anti-cancer agent. There is far more misinformation out there than there is legitimate information, which has always been the case and is the reason Cannabis is illegal in the first place.

Continuing on a well established propaganda campaign is very easy once you've already been able to convince an uneducated/racist nation whatever you want them to believe. That's why I personally grew up believing Marijuana was something dirty white trash people did. It was the common perception 50 years ago, 20 years ago and still is today.

The idea of Cannabis actually being one of the most useful, if not THE most useful plant in the history of earth is so far removed, so the exact opposite, of what our brainwashing has formed our minds to believe that expecting people to accept the truth within the next 50 to 100 years is foolish. That kind of propaganda simply can not be overcome by such a patriotic nation, because it would mean admitting what kind of horror our Government is easily capable of right in broad daylight.

The majority will always eat what they're fed.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

The idea of Cannabis actually being one of the most useful, if not THE most useful plant in the history of earth is so far removed, so the exact opposite, of what our brainwashing has formed our minds to believe that expecting people to accept the truth within the next 50 to 100 years is foolish. That kind of propaganda simply can not be overcome by such a patriotic nation, because it would mean admitting what kind of horror our Government is easily capable of right in broad daylight.

Maybe you are right, but I think your reasoning is a little overdramatic. Our government has done much worse things right in broad daylight and people typically don't care.

[defector]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

The Madrid researchers reported in the March issue of "Nature Medicine" that they injected the brains of 45 rats with cancer cells, producing tumors whose presence they confirmed through magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). On the 12th day they injected 15 of the rats with THC and 15 with Win-55,212-2 a synthetic compound similar to THC. "All the rats left untreated uniformly died 12-18 days after glioma (brain cancer) cell inoculation ... Cannabinoid (THC)-treated rats survived significantly longer than control rats. THC administration was ineffective in three rats, which died by days 16-18. Nine of the THC-treated rats surpassed the time of death of untreated rats, and survived up to 19-35 days. Moreover, the tumor was completely eradicated in three of the treated rats." The rats treated with Win-55,212-2 showed similar results.

So if I understand this correctly (out of a test number of 15 each)...
15 untreated rats: all died within 12-18 days (no surprise to me)
15 rats treated with Natural THC:
3 rats died within 16 - 18 days
9 rats survived up to 35 days (but still died)
3 rats had the tumor completely eradicated
(Synthetic THC numbers similar to natural THC numbers)
So we are talking about a 20% cure rate, but still an 80% death rate.

While I am impressed that 3 tumors were completely eradicated, the 80% death rate makes me feel like the word cure is a bit strong to use (in general).

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

Maybe you are right, but I think your reasoning is a little overdramatic. Our government has done much worse things right in broad daylight and people typically don't care.

I'm not so sure that they have. Outlawing (what I consider to be) one of the world's most useful plants. Arresting, imprisoning and felonizing millions of American citizens. Military style raids on citizens resulting in numerous deaths. Stealing property and land from citizens. Strong-arming the rest of the world to do the same, even in the face of pro-cannabis evidence....

There's a lot to it, and I honestly don't feel its overdramatic....especially considering the WHY behind it all...

Why is cannabis illegal?

The first cannabis related law ever passed in the United States of America was in 1619 ordering farmers to grow hemp in Jamestown Colony, Virginia.
Hemp: The new Billion Dollar Crop

Before 1937 cannabis hemp was one of largest argricultural crops in the United States and the world. It has many uses and is one of the most robust,durable and soft natural fibres on the face of the earth. It was used for rope, twine and clothing. Sails were made of hemp because salt water damages cotton. The pressed oil from hempseeds was used in paints and varnishes. Randolph Diesel assumed his Diesel engine would run off vegetable and seed oils, especially hemp, which is superior to petroleum. Hemp could be used to make more paper per acre, of a higher quality, for less money and requiring less chemical treatment than trees. One could even pay their taxes with hemp.

Popular Mechanics 1938 touted cannabis hemp as the new Billion Dollar Crop stating that “Hemp is the standard fiber of the world” with great tensile strength and durability. Hemp was used to create 5000 textile products and even the waste product, the ‘woody hurds’ left once the fibre was removed, contains 77% cellulose. This cellulose could be used to create over 25,000 products from dynamite to cellophane.

It was even stated to be good for the land, breaking up the ground ready for the next seasons crop, depriving weeds of sunlight, and removing infestations of foreign and domestic pest plants. It could replace many (expensive) foreign imported products keeping work for americans and saving corporations money. Popular mechnics even estimated that the $200,000,000 spent per year on imported foreign fibres and fabrics could instead become income for American workers by growing hemp in the United States.

The government even estimated that 10,000 acres of hemp pulp could produce as much paper as 40,000 acres worth of regular tree pulp. That is a four fold increase in the land to product ratio!

Even the Ford Motor company was making use of cannabis hemp. In the 1930’s it’s engineers were able to extract Creosote (wood protectant), methanol, charcoal fuel, tar and pitch Ethyl Acetate (used in glues, decaffination, nail polish removers, confectionary, perfumes and paints) from hemp. Ford even created a car made of resin stiffened hemp and ran it on the ethanol produced from hemp.
Hemp in direct competition with Foreign Oil

Deviating from the Hemp story for a bit, we are going to talk about a man called Andrew Mellon. Andrew Mellon and his brother Richard Mellon had started an oil company in Texas in 1901 called Gulf Oil and was looking to drill oil in Kuwait. However Britain was in control of Kuwaits foreign affairs in 1932. Gulf Oil appealed to the US Government and directly to Andrew Mellon, Treasury Secretary of the US (1921-1932). It appears he was not able to help however because he then became the US Ambassador to Britain and travelled to britain 3 times, each time bringing up the subject of Gulf Oils interest in Kuwait. Two years later in 1934 British Petroleum and Gulf Oil struck a 50-50 deal and in 1938, struck oil.

How this is significant is that in the 1920’s and 30’s the DuPont Petrochemical company was making similar advances with oil instead of hemp. They had developed the sulfite and sulfate processes for chemically treating paper pulp from trees, as well as gasoline additives, cellophane, nylon and Dacron (or PET used in plastic). DuPont went on to become a leader in the developement of Rayon fibre (synthetic fabrics), paint, synthetic rubber, plastics, insectides, photographic film and other chemicals.

Andrew Mellon had invested heavily in DuPont which probably bought a lot of oil from the Gulf Oil Company. If hemp continued to prove as versatile as oil, it would threaten the companies profits.
Mexicans poke the angry tycoon

Around this time there was a mexican General “Pancho Villa” who was trying to overthrow the Mexican Dictator, Huerta. Pancho Villa’s troops, and mexicans coming to work in the United States would smoke cannabis for enjoyment. Cannabis also passed on to the african americans and became entrenched in the Jazz and Swing music and culture. Pancho Villa was also in the practice taking back illegally occupied land in Mexico and giving it back to the people. One of these haciendas, as they were called was 800,000 acres of forestry taken by the Hearst Corporation.

William Randolph Hearst, owned the Hearst Corporation which in the United States. This corporation was a forestry company which used DuPonts tree-pulp treatment process to create paper for the many newspaper chains owned by the Hearst Corporation. Hearst was known as a racist, and was angered by the reclaimation of his 800,000 acres of forestry. Noticing that hemp could threaten the forestry part of his corporation he decided to take the slang word ‘Marihuana’ from the song ‘La Cucaracha,’ a Panco Villa victory song and use it as propaganda against mexicans, negroes and hemp.
The Federal Bureau of Narcotics

In 1930 Andrew Mellon appointed his nephew in law to the Head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Harry J. Anslinger was America’s first drug czar. In 1934 sympathizing with Andrew Mellow and William Hearst he started waging a war against hemp under the guise of ‘Marijuana’ along with complete lies about how it turned normal men in violent murderers and rapists.
Refer Madness

William Hearst published stories in his newspapers claiming that mexicans and negroes turned into savage beasts after smoking marijuana, murdering and raping white people and “Refer Madness” descended upon the nation. Aided by racism which was rapant at this time in history, the stories started to gain some believers and the population wanted to outlaw this new drug marijuana. Some quotes attributable to Anslinger include:

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

And the somewhat contradictory:

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

The Illegal Crop

No one knew what marijuana was, but everyone knew what cannabis hemp was. By the time people found out that hemp had been lumped in with marijuana it was too late. In 1937 the Marijuana Tax Act was signed into congress, and anyone who wanted to grow cannabis was required by law to purchase a tax stamp. However with Anslinger as the sole overseer of who got the tax stamps, none were being given out. This essentially made all forms of cannabis whether it be cannabis hemp or the phsycotropic version of cannabis, illegal.

And thus the new billion dollar crop of America, the crop that could stifle western dependence on middle eastern oil before it began, the crop that could give millions of Americans jobs, the crop that could decrease the need for imported foreign materials, was rendered unusable. And with it, a non-addictive, non-opiate, non-narcotic, harmless drug superior to alcohol.
All because a few oil tycoons and other money hungry corporations wanted to make a buck.

[tallywacker]

Fucking pothead circle jerk in here

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by tallywacker

Fucking pothead circle jerk in here

Have you ever tried a circle jerk.......ONNN WEEEEEEED?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtRJ-o6Lppc

[tallywacker]

I'm not discounting that there may be more medical applications for weed, but saying IN THIS CASE that it cured this boys cancer is fucking ridiculous. CHEMO shrunk the tumor and weed was used to stimulate his appetite. That is all that happened, making your thread title sensationalist at best.

It's also hilarious that you think I haven't read all the same bullshit you have. I just don't jump to conclusions as quickly as you do on scarce research data

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by tallywacker

I'm not discounting that there may be more medical applications for weed, but saying IN THIS CASE that it cured this boys cancer is fucking ridiculous. CHEMO shrunk the tumor and weed was used to stimulate his appetite. That is all that happened, making your thread title sensationalist at best.

It's also hilarious that you think I haven't read all the same bullshit you have. I just don't jump to conclusions as quickly as you do on scarce research data

You don't really know that though. The cannabis oil could have certainly contributed.

And why is that hilarious? Because we know each other personally and I should know all your reading habits?

[tallywacker]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

You don't really know that though. The cannabis oil could have certainly contributed.

And why is that hilarious? Because we know each other personally and I should know all your reading habits?

Yes I really do know that. Chemo is a proven method of killing cancer used around the world. Marijuana not so much. Now if he would have never received chemo, this would be a different story.

Give me a single human cases where marijuana was used as the sole method to eradicate cancer.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

You don't really know that though. The cannabis oil could have certainly contributed.

It could have.

Interesting how much hate you have for the false propoganda put forth by the government though...