Prop 19

[Avatard]

No, but the substance has to actually be fucking addictive. Cannabis isn't.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Avatard

No, but the substance has to actually be fucking addictive. Cannabis isn't.

Depends on how you classify what's addictive. I'd say it isn't physically addictive, but it certainly can be psychologically addictive... like alcohol.

[Avatard]

So can fapping. Cut it out.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Depends on how you classify what's addictive. I'd say it isn't physically addictive, but it certainly can be psychologically addictive... like alcohol.

Then you have to be of the mindset that absolutely anything can be an addictive substance. You could make the argument that we're all H20 addicts for example. Certainly under that mindset the majority of Americans qualify as caffeine addicts, which is a more accurate description except that caffeine can kill you and Marijuana can not.

Which, of course, then renders it useless to refer to anyone as an addict, since they all are.

No, an addict is someone who does continuing substantial damage to their body, their life, their family, etc. etc. to continue to use a substance because they have a chemical addiction to it. I think in reality we all understand the difference. Chemically addictive substances cause very real and dangerous withdrawl symptoms when the user stops. There are no withdrawls when a frequent marijuana user stops smoking pot.

Even caffeine addicts get a headache when they don't get that Pepsi....yet the same is not true for a marijuana user.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Depends on how you classify what's addictive. I'd say it isn't physically addictive, but it certainly can be psychologically addictive... like alcohol.

Not true, alcohol is physically addictive and the withdrawals can absolutely kill you.

[Avatard]

Delerium Tremens.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Then you have to be of the mindset that absolutely anything can be an addictive substance. You could make the argument that we're all H20 addicts for example. Certainly under that mindset the majority of Americans qualify as caffeine addicts, which is a more accurate description except that caffeine can kill you and Marijuana can not.

Which, of course, then renders it useless to refer to anyone as an addict, since they all are.

No, an addict is someone who does continuing substantial damage to their body, their life, their family, etc. etc. to continue to use a substance because they have a chemical addiction to it. I think in reality we all understand the difference. Chemically addictive substances cause very real and dangerous withdrawl symptoms when the user stops. There are no withdrawls when a frequent marijuana user stops smoking pot.

Even caffeine addicts get a headache when they don't get that Pepsi....yet the same is not true for a marijuana user.

Sooo... you're saying I'm not addicted to masturbating?

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Not true, alcohol is physically addictive and the withdrawals can absolutely kill you.

Originally Posted by Avatard

Delerium Tremens.

Color me corrected... Freshman health class was WAY too long ago.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Sooo... you're saying I'm not addicted to masturbating?

Color me corrected... Freshman health class was WAY too long ago.

I'm saying the term "addict" gets thrown around too loosely in an effort to "demonize" marijuana users of all types, when it isn't really accurate. There is a difference, to me, between using a substance regularly because you enjoy it vs. using something because the only thing you can think about every waking second of the day is how you can get some of that and put it into your body right fucking now, such as Meth or Heroin.

Someone who's been to to rehab voluntarily numerous times to get off meth but keeps going back is physically addicted. Someone who smokes a joint when they watch Grandma's Boy just likes it.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

I'm saying the term "addict" gets thrown around too loosely in an effort to "demonize" marijuana users of all types, when it isn't really accurate. There is a difference, to me, between using a substance regularly because you enjoy it vs. using something because the only thing you can think about every waking second of the day is how you can get some of that and put it into your body right fucking now, such as Meth or Heroin.

Someone who's been to to rehab voluntarily numerous times to get off meth but keeps going back is physically addicted. Someone who smokes a joint when they watch Grandma's Boy just likes it.

See, this is where the psychological addiction comes in... I HAD to get high... not because my body needed it, but because if I wasn't high I was desperately wanting to get high... needing it.

I smoked cigarettes for nearly 15 years... It took me a couple packs of Swisher Sweets cigars over a couple week period to kick it. I tried and tried and tried to stop smoking weed... did my body need it? No. Did it make my desire for it any less... Never. I was miserable if I wasn't high... It took moving completely across the country and having zero ability to even find it for me to quit. Now, I may partake every once in a while, but I tell you this... if it becomes legal, I'm smokin' that shit every day.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

See, this is where the psychological addiction comes in... I HAD to get high... not because my body needed it, but because if I wasn't high I was desperately wanting to get high... needing it.

I smoked cigarettes for nearly 15 years... It took me a couple packs of Swisher Sweets cigars over a couple week period to kick it. I tried and tried and tried to stop smoking weed... did my body need it? No. Did it make my desire for it any less... Never. I was miserable if I wasn't high... It took moving completely across the country and having zero ability to even find it for me to quit. Now, I may partake every once in a while, but I tell you this... if it becomes legal, I'm smokin' that shit every day.

Maybe you just really, really, really, really loved you some fuckin' marijuana. It doesn't have that effect on me at all, for whatever reason, and everyone is different of course.