If your neighbor has wireless...

[Sanchez]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Oh, and if I'm using said connection, can my neighbor figure out what sites I'm viewing and what I'm typing, etc.?

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Apples are quantifiable... problem is, the performance lost is hard to measure... again, if they aren't being charged by bandwidth used... then good luck determining the punishment...

Apples are quantifiable, if you choose to quantify them. So is internet bandwidth.

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Is punishment the only question? Who gives a fuck if performance lost is hard to measure, it's still performance lost that wouldn't have been if you weren't stealing the guy's internet connection.

Sure, we generally don't pay by bandwidth used here, but we still only have so much per connection. If I'm paying for a connection, which has a certain limit of bandwidth due to physical realities, I expect to be able to use that full limit. I shouldn't have to secure my connection. The only reason I do is because of people who don't understand that stealing is wrong, no matter the scope.

I was thinking of theft of cable TV. They don't bother to figure out if you bothered to watch anything. It's too hard to quantify what you've used, so they just nail you with the maximum charge for basic service.

Originally Posted by Sanchez

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.

I just found the answer WRT computer trespass in Indiana. No requirement for malicious intent.:

IC 35-43-2-3
Computer trespass
Sec. 3. (a) As used in this section:
"Access" means to:
(1) approach;
(2) instruct;
(3) communicate with;
(4) store data in;
(5) retrieve data from; or
(6) make use of resources of;
a computer, computer system, or computer network.
"Computer network" means the interconnection of communication lines or wireless telecommunications with a computer or wireless telecommunication device through:
(1) remote terminals;
(2) a complex consisting of two (2) or more interconnected computers; or
(3) a worldwide collection of interconnected networks operating as the Internet.
"Computer system" means a set of related computer equipment, software, or hardware.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally accesses:
(1) a computer system;
(2) a computer network; or
(3) any part of a computer system or computer network;
without the consent of the owner of the computer system or computer network, or the consent of the owner's licensee, commits computer trespass, a Class A misdemeanor.

[Captain Morgan]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Where does it end? When my wife was growing up they had an apricot tree in their back yard, which was fenced in with cinderblock (common in west Texas and New Mexico). The tree poked over the fence, and they tried to make it clear to their neighbors that any apricots over the fence were free to take. That wasn't enough, and she eventually lost count of how many people jumped the fence into their back yard to take apricots.

If you're going to use his internet connection, why not go ahead and splice off his cable? There's no lock on the wires, right? He must not care about cable security, and he'll never notice. Why not tap into his water line? I mean, he's already got to pay his own water bill anyway, he won't mind a little extra. And like I said, if he didn't want you to he would have locked that shit.

And next time he goes to the grocery store, might as well spring a couple bags when he leaves the trunk open. He would have closed it if he didn't want you to take anything.

Big difference is that there is no charge for bandwidth usage, whereas there is a charge for water and gas usage. Cable theft requires physical effort, cutting wires and splicing them, etc.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

A failure to determine an appropriate punishment is a poor excuse for taking something that doesn't belong to you.

It's either yours or it isn't.

The fact that the Cap'n had to ask the question in the first place, would seem to suggest that he already has doubts, would it not?

In my experience, people who ask if they should get away with something, are just looking for validation from their peers as a way to assuage the guilt they're feeling.

JC

I asked the question mainly because I wanted to find out if he can view everything I'm doing. Based on the below response, he can, if he wants to.

Originally Posted by Sanchez

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.

I would never do anything like that, unless I was pulling a simple prank on someone that I was great friends with and I would tell them about it shortly after.

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Apples are quantifiable, if you choose to quantify them. So is internet bandwidth.



I was thinking of theft of cable TV. They don't bother to figure out if you bothered to watch anything. It's too hard to quantify what you've used, so they just nail you with the maximum charge for basic service.



I just found the answer WRT computer trespass in Indiana. No requirement for malicious intent.:

IC 35-43-2-3
Computer trespass
Sec. 3. (a) As used in this section:
"Access" means to:
(1) approach;
(2) instruct;
(3) communicate with;
(4) store data in;
(5) retrieve data from; or
(6) make use of resources of;
a computer, computer system, or computer network.
"Computer network" means the interconnection of communication lines or wireless telecommunications with a computer or wireless telecommunication device through:
(1) remote terminals;
(2) a complex consisting of two (2) or more interconnected computers; or
(3) a worldwide collection of interconnected networks operating as the Internet.
"Computer system" means a set of related computer equipment, software, or hardware.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally accesses:
(1) a computer system;
(2) a computer network; or
(3) any part of a computer system or computer network;
without the consent of the owner of the computer system or computer network, or the consent of the owner's licensee, commits computer trespass, a Class A misdemeanor.

Edit: Found the link on Google. http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar43/ch2.html Guess I've been a criminal for the past few days. Time to get my own internet.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Big difference is that there is no charge for bandwidth usage, whereas there is a charge for water and gas usage. Cable theft requires physical effort, cutting wires and splicing them, etc.



I asked the question mainly because I wanted to find out if he can view everything I'm doing. Based on the below response, he can, if he wants to.



I would never do anything like that, unless I was pulling a simple prank on someone that I was great friends with and I would tell them about it shortly after.



Edit: Found the link on Google. http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar43/ch2.html Guess I've been a criminal for the past few days. Time to get my own internet.

I'm going to call crime stoppers, turn you in and use the money towards a hot tub.

James

[rogue]

Originally Posted by Flexin

I'm going to call crime stoppers, turn you in and use the money towards a hot tub.

James

Ummmm.....what about a bike?

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Rogue

Ummmm.....what about a bike?

If you can show me a way to get 7 half naked woman on a bike I'm there. Plus the bike cost more then the tub and after working all day digging holes in frozen ground and shoveling gravel my bike likes the hot tub idea the best.

James

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Flexin

If you can show me a way to get 7 half naked woman on a bike I'm there. Plus the bike cost more then the tub and after working all day digging holes in frozen ground and shoveling gravel my bike likes the hot tub idea the best.

James

You can only fit five on one bike. It takes two bikes to fit 7.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

You can only fit five on one bike. It takes two bikes to fit 7.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

You can only fit five on one bike. It takes two bikes to fit 7.

See!!! Two bikes, insurance. 7 helmets (safe sex), possible road rash on my "gear"..

Hot tub less then half the price, swim suit optional, electrical bill and a smile.

James

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Flexin

See!!! Two bikes, insurance. 7 helmets (safe sex), possible road rash on my "gear"..

Hot tub less then half the price, swim suit optional, electrical bill and a smile.

James

Actually two bikes, an EZ-Up canopy with a flashy race team name screened on it, one helmet (optional, if you don't actually race them), and a camera.