Which scenario breeds the better rider? - Page 7

the chi · 12-05-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

The MSF doesn't make you a "good" rider any more than passing your driver's test makes you a "good" driver.

Experience MUST be gained in the real world. That said, I do believe that a training course provides a better foundation to build those skills on than none at all.

Totally Agree with this statement.

FTR, not all states allow the insurance discounts for MSF or Drivers Ed, and I still couldnt ride a box if you held a gun to my head, and Ive been riding a few years now. (I think I can still do everything else I learned, but the box kicks my ass.

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tached1000rr · 12-05-2009, 01:49 PM

Good discussion which is al I wanted anyway. The discount No Worries received made it a moot point for him I'm sure.

Fleck750 · 12-05-2009, 05:01 PM

Never have taken the MSF, what is this "box" you speak of?

OreoGaborio · 12-05-2009, 05:59 PM

it's a 20' x 60' rectangle that you have to ride a figure 8 in. Two consecutive U turns in either direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDspJm3OPpw

He actually uses the dotted line, which makes the box 24' x 60'. We use those dimensions first when practicing.
In the evaluation the 20' x 60' box is used.

tached1000rr · 12-05-2009, 06:32 PM

Where do you MSF instructors feel that the box comes into play on the street in the real world? So a guy/girl can ride the hell out of a bike in the box, there are not any boxes where I ride

FT BSTRD · 12-05-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr

Where do you MSF instructors feel that the box comes into play on the street in the real world? So a guy/girl can ride the hell out of a bike in the box, there are not any boxes where I ride

Clutch control, braking control, body position, proper steering, rider comfort with the bike, confidence in performing slow speed maneuvers, skill performing u-turns......

karl_1052 · 12-05-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr

Where do you MSF instructors feel that the box comes into play on the street in the real world? So a guy/girl can ride the hell out of a bike in the box, there are not any boxes where I ride

You should ride by more high schools. lots of boxes there.

Fleck750 · 12-05-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052

You should ride by more high schools. lots of boxes there.

Damn! Was just gonna say that.

Fleck750 · 12-05-2009, 08:13 PM

20 x 60? That's HUGE!!!

tached1000rr · 12-05-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052

You should ride by more high schools. lots of boxes there.

Funny you mention that, cause I take my wife and daughters to the school parking lot to practice.

12-05-2009, 05:01 PM	#63
Fleck750 Spiker bike Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: KCK Moto: KZ750 Posts: 1,629	Never have taken the MSF, what is this "box" you speak of? __________________ I ride way too fast to worry about cholesterol. ~Author Unknown

12-05-2009, 05:59 PM	#64
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	it's a 20' x 60' rectangle that you have to ride a figure 8 in. Two consecutive U turns in either direction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDspJm3OPpw He actually uses the dotted line, which makes the box 24' x 60'. We use those dimensions first when practicing. In the evaluation the 20' x 60' box is used. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race) Last edited by OreoGaborio; 12-05-2009 at 06:03 PM..

12-05-2009, 08:13 PM	#69
Fleck750 Spiker bike Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: KCK Moto: KZ750 Posts: 1,629	20 x 60? That's HUGE!!! __________________ I ride way too fast to worry about cholesterol. ~Author Unknown

12-05-2009, 01:49 PM	#62
tached1000rr WERA White Plate Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NC Moto: 2009 GSXR 1300 Posts: 2,448	Good discussion which is al I wanted anyway. The discount No Worries received made it a moot point for him I'm sure.

12-05-2009, 06:32 PM	#65
tached1000rr WERA White Plate Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NC Moto: 2009 GSXR 1300 Posts: 2,448	Where do you MSF instructors feel that the box comes into play on the street in the real world? So a guy/girl can ride the hell out of a bike in the box, there are not any boxes where I ride