Firefighters let home burn

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

They should've saved the house, seized it, sold it at auction, distributed the money to citizens of the city who DO pay the fee...and then raped the family to make sure they were properly punished for their mistakes and stupid decisions.

It has nothing to do with punishment as you sure seem to believe, it is all about consequences. I'd certainly like this story a whole lot more if the guy didn't pay and his house never caught on fire.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Kaneman, you still don't get it. This is not a case of a tyrannical government oppressing its citizens.

This man had a choice. Either have the means and a plan to handle any fire-related contingencies on his property, or pay someone else a small annual fee to have those capabilities for him. He chose to handle it himself rather than pay the fee. When the shit hit the fan, he found it was beyond his capabilities and tried to get retroactive coverage.

If the firefighters had done what you seem to think was the "right thing to do", they would be undermining their entire system. The system may need revising, and after this event it no doubt will get that, but in the meantime, it has to be upheld or everybody will be SOL.

Please, save me the bleeding heart bullshit. If you want less goverment interference in your life (as you clearly seem to want), then you have to be prepared to provide for yourself as well. This man chose to have less government involvement by refusing to retain the services of a fire department. That means he's on his own here. You can't have it both ways.

I think the whole point of this debate is that those firefighters allowed 4 animals to burn to death. Its the same thing as seeing an accident of a biker who didn't wear gear and then say fuck it. He deserves what he gets, then drive off.

Everything in this world doesn't have to have a fucking dollar sign attached to it.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

I think the whole point of this debate is that those firefighters allowed 4 animals to burn to death. Its the same thing as seeing an accident of a biker who didn't wear gear and then say fuck it. He deserves what he gets, then drive off.

Everything in this world doesn't have to have a fucking dollar sign attached to it.

Its not just the animals. If they'd let some old man burn alive in there people would still be saying the same thing. Shoulda paid your bill sucka...

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

The money was a drop in the bucket in comparison to the cost of the house and the cost of the enviromental impact. Not to metion the death of the animals.

Also, you cannot compare insurance to this, because the guy was ready to pay for all the back pay. With insurance, you are esentially asking to pay 500 bucks in order to claim 10 grand. It's not the same thing.

It's the exact same thing. You pay $75 per year to get a service that could very well cost $1500. You can't call your insurance company after your policy lapsed and make a claim saying you're willing to pay your premium.

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Its not just the animals. If they'd let some old man burn alive in there people would still be saying the same thing. Shoulda paid your bill sucka...

As much as you want them to be on the same level as humans, our pets are not. You can buy a pet, you can choose to euthanize a pet... shelters put down thousands of animals a week. When people are treated like that, its a global concern and has historical significance.

I wish they would have saved the pets, I really do... But to put blame on anyone else other than this guy and to compare this to raping his family and whatnot is completely irrational and quite frankly, very short-sighted

[AquaPython]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

As much as you want them to be on the same level as humans, our pets are not. You can buy a pet, you can choose to euthanize a pet... shelters put down thousands of animals a week. When people are treated like that, its a global concern and has historical significance.

I wish they would have saved the pets, I really do... But to put blame on anyone else other than this guy and to compare this to raping his family and whatnot is completely irrational and quite frankly, very short-sighted

hate to break it to you but people are treated like that. maybe not in your neck of the woods, but people are trafficked, bought and sold, euthanized, and massacred every day. the globe is not concerned.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

It's the exact same thing. You pay $75 per year to get a service that could very well cost $1500. You can't call your insurance company after your policy lapsed and make a claim saying you're willing to pay your premium....

No it isn't. The guy was willing to pay all costs, but they did nothing. I think the insurance would pay your claim if you told them you would just reimburse them for the entire paid claim. I'm not sure why you don't see this.

....As much as you want them to be on the same level as humans, our pets are not. You can buy a pet, you can choose to euthanize a pet... shelters put down thousands of animals a week. When people are treated like that, its a global concern and has historical significance.....

I don't....humans have souls....animals do not. It is still a living thing that feels pain though.

....I wish they would have saved the pets, I really do... But to put blame on anyone else other than this guy and to compare this to raping his family and whatnot is completely irrational and quite frankly, very short-sighted

The guy isn't to blame unless he intentionally set the house on fire. Choosing not to obtain fire "protection" was a choice.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

I think the whole point of this debate is that those firefighters allowed 4 animals to burn to death. Its the same thing as seeing an accident of a biker who didn't wear gear and then say fuck it. He deserves what he gets, then drive off.

Everything in this world doesn't have to have a fucking dollar sign attached to it.

The question in my mind, that none of the inflammatory news articles have bothered to answer, is for how many years Cranick "forgot" to pay this fee.

His county doesn't have a fire department. He essentially had the option of hiring a contractor, to protect his home in case of fire. Since his entire family got out of the house it would seem that he also had the time to evacuate his pets, but didn't.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The question in my mind, that none of the inflammatory news articles have bothered to answer, is for how many years Cranick "forgot" to pay this fee.

His county doesn't have a fire department. He essentially had the option of hiring a contractor, to protect his home in case of fire. Since his entire family got out of the house it would seem that he also had the time to evacuate his pets, but didn't.

Dammit! This is the INTERNET! Logic and reason have no place here! Begone, foul trickery!

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The question in my mind, that none of the inflammatory news articles have bothered to answer, is for how many years Cranick "forgot" to pay this fee.

His county doesn't have a fire department. He essentially had the option of hiring a contractor, to protect his home in case of fire. Since his entire family got out of the house it would seem that he also had the time to evacuate his pets, but didn't.

Having been in a house that burned (though no animals were killed), I can tell you that shit can go bad in an instant. You get the family out first, then worry about the pets.

It started out as a fairly small fire, and once we all went out the dorr together and shut it, it blew up into an inferno that completely destroyed the upstairs of the home. Just because you had time to get out, doesnt mean you had time to get back in and get pets out. If I hadnt have grabbed my dog on the way out, he would have died too, because I wouldnt have been able to get in to get him.

Then he died 3 weeks later while tmall and I were doing LSD to celebrate the life and death of John Lennon. Good times.

[CrazyKell]

I don't know what's funnier. Kaneman's suggestions or Goof2 trying to logically argue with him.